Its up to Walshaw but if his stamina improves I would give him a crack at centre. Just because he his big doesn't attomatically mean he should be in the forwards. Greg Inglis would have merged in with the forwards over here. Walshaw a big lad could do some damage at centre. Fair enough if his fitness is poor but thats upto Mr Walshaw. This is where Mr Agars coaching ability comes in apart from Annakin there hasn't really been a player that have pulled up any trees. Mr Kear would have made some of these young lads into a real force by now

You sure about that? Aside from that I agree but I have a horrible feeling his card has been marked and he will be Cowlinged.

mr kear was left with a championsip winning academy side but didnt have a bloody clue what to with them, so he decided to sign players like howarth for example from other teams. tom harrington knocked callum watkins all over one night in leeds where is he. danny cowlings body shape never altered in years at the club. greyson with pace was allowed to leave and we perservered with the snail kears mate blaydire. wheres will colohran. then theres trouty who needs kicking up the and getting the best out of. ruined young slats, adam gledhill. walshaw had faults his reset speed was slow its still slow and if hes not fit dont pick him. luby is a great lad give him waht he needs hes all over the place and by reset speed i mean you could turn a boat round quicker. annakin was a hard lad why didnt he address his size and make him an hard case hooker. jk didnt give a toss about the young lads and started watching when we got on the roll of winning to take the glory. i know i was there.

What you say may be true but I don't see much difference with Agar either. For example, Lucas Walshaw looks the mirror image of Matt Ryan and that is based on watching Ryan on premier sports as well as his first two games here. Who do you think will get picked most often this year?

you can also take a look through most of the sides we played that academy season and see where they are now. wel start with the cas side shall we who we beat pretty easy adam milner, oliver holmes, daryl clarke, jordan thomson, joe arundel and thats off the top of my head. il leave the rest to you why dont you start with the wigan team we took apart in the final.

i agree it doesnt look like agar can develop young players either. ryan will play more hes been signed by agar. the thing with walshaw is if agar is gonna play him give him a run in one position and develop him and iron his faults out. leg speed leg speed leg speed till its coming out of his backside.

This is or could be a very interesting thread , I suppose there will be opinions from those who actually see the Academy players play (although because the fixtures aren’t even on the clubs website , it’s difficult to know when) and those who don’t .I honestly believe Lubey is improving his leg speed and should be an asset to the club but unfortunately I will predict that no matter where/who  the the club is playing against Walshaw , Anakin, Wildie (who you were right about he is a hooker not an half/back) and hopefully Trout (after the way he laughed at Walshaws mistake on Thursday) WONT BE AT WAKEFIELD next season .

From the limited amount I have seen of Walshaw he still looks too raw and cumbersome to play centre, in my opinion.

Kear in his final year could have gone from a good coach to a great coach, if he had used some of our homegrown products.
He had nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Maybe not finishing bottom was more important than development of our juniors in his eyes?

You're right other than Gledhill, you know there was more to that than just Kear - far more.

As for Cowling again you're right yet oddly Agar tried to sign Cowling when at Hull and rated hims (other than noting a lack of physique) yet oddly on getting him by default he never really gave him a chance - unlike Lyne. I don't normally join in this debate but it's beginning to stink.

Who's Luby?

I agree with most posts on this thread khlav your right walshaw is heading for the exit door agar as made it obvious he doesn't know how to develop potential in a young player, sixtogo your right walshaw and Ryan are carbon copy one we've flown halfway around the world and I'm sure will be on twice the wage and the other we already had but our coach doesn't know what to do with or were to play him. ,and your right pockets he does look raw and cumbersome at times ,you say the few times you've seen him don't you think if he'd been given more chances instead of a few minutes in different positions his game would have improved my opinion of our coach is simple instead of trying to coach and develop young talent he would sooner take the easy route' of ready made overseas players who from what I've seen are second rate, Anderson looks steady away but the other two look pretty ordinary

when I used to come watch it did seem like he'd turned up to over see the academy coaches

its cringe worthy to think that at the time there was no threat of relegation, what a waste

Walshaw

Firstly I dont think Walshaw has the speed to play centre but I do think he could make a decent 2nd rower.

As for that academy team, yes we probably should have had more players come through but its not as if they have gone on to rip it up at other places. Maybe they were a better team rather than individuals whereas other clubs had better individuals than teams?

Agree walshaw lacks any real speed.

I think the lads missed out on being developed/coached properly and that's why they've fallen away.

I know I've said this before and I apologise for being repetitive.
When Gary Thornton was coaching the kids at Cas he was very open about what his role was. It was all very nice for the junior teams to win games, but he was there to develop juniors into SL standard players. He said some clubs (no names) were hell bent on winning kids cups, but the real victory was seeing individuals go on to have successful careers. When you look at the two team sheets of Cas and wakey (with the benefit of hindsight) from that season you could argue that one set up was trying to win games and one set up trying to produce SL players.
I'm not saying this to get into an argument with anyone, but I would be interested to hear the thoughts of mopsey &/or try scorer on this as it would seem they were there at the time. Also, can I ask whatever happened to Cain Southernwood? In my opinion he is the best junior player I've ever seen and cannot for the life of me understand why he isn't doing better in the game. Is he proof that the best juniors don't always make the best SL players?

Im sure Alex Walmsley, Greg Johnson don't think that of JK. We have some very fickle fans. 5th place under JK, avoided relegation 5 wins from 7 games and then avoided been bottom with the team we had. Kieren Hyde at half back. Bet under JK Mariano wouldn't have been pushed out to Cas. Walshaw speed could improve he won't be anything at 2nd row.

This is an old chestnut that keeps turning up for a start I don't think Gary Thornton was at cas at that time it was pell through watching junior rugby a lot at that time I knew and had seen many of the players from both sides in previous action. and I can assure you nobody told the cas players it doesn't matter if you lose your being developed for super league what anybody says mate cas played their strongest team players coach and club wanted to win the same rubbish claim as been made by Wigan fans .Cas and Wigan arnt teams that go into any game with ulteria motives they want to win and to say owt else is a load of codswallop.

We did a swap deal where we got Keiran Hyde and Cain went to Bradford. He played a couple of games for them and is now playing for Whitehaven.

Not sure why he hasn't made it because like you said he was one of the most talented juniors around. He is still only young so he may still have a chance to make it back into SL.

You're either missing my point or I haven't articulated myself properly. I'm not saying GT or anyone else at Cas said to juniors "don't try" I'm asking whether coaching teams at different clubs do things differently and have different aims. It was a genuine question as I'm am genuinely interested in why some juniors don't kick on and others do. I've watched a decent number of junior RL games and I think we're still lagging behind the Aussies in several departments, but in the main these could easily be fixed if coaches of younger players focused on the more basic and fundamental things like ball skills, fitness and strength at an early age rather than trying to simply win games.

i coached the team with tony drury our aim was to get them players to the highest standard as possible we did that. we had players whos skill levels were poor we focused on this we focused on game related stuff in training and to a extent we went away from the robot kear stuff and tried to develop players and keep their natural talent in them. that team played great rugby they would of run through walls for each other. now the problem started when they came out of the accademy they were left far too long and not blooded. they should of been given a taste then taken out again and drip fed in and out. this area is massive for talent the kids in wakefield cas fev are as good as kids at wigan or saints at 16 so theres something seriously going wrong. does the wakefield side now contain any wakey lads, stanley lads, normy lads, not many at all its pathetic to be honest. the cas side does but thats also falling milner and owen are wakey lads, thomson gone arundel gone, so how many cas lads are they.
theres a massive problem in this area theres tonnes of talent and loads of scouts. bradford, wigan leeds salford warrington hull aswell as the local clubs. now looking at the wakefield and cas sides would you get coached right or trust the clubs to improve you and give you a CHANCE.
rivalry aside this area and sl need a strong wakefield cas and fev, we need the revenue and we need the derby games for added interest, the game is on its knees and people need to stop kicking each other.

Thanks for the insight mopsey. Based on what you've put there I think we'd agree on quite a bit. If you ever fancying coming darn't lane I wouldn't hold your "past" allegiances against you!
To take up your point about skills. It frustrates the life of me when watching RL (all clubs) just how poor the passing from dummy half is. There's no excuse for professional RL players to not pick out a good pass 99% of the time from that position, in my opinion. Do you see this as a failing by amateur coaching at a young level? What could we do as a sport to improve it?

Not missing your point at all your some teams no names told me your reference was to wake field,Gary Thornton had a job at BV coaching u21s he soon left. when they took a few hammering so winning must have meant something to him.This flippant talk about kids cups really annoys folk who at the time in some cases like mopsey involved in the coaching and others who watch our academy and in that particular year saw the serious way clubs took that u18sleague they all wanted to win it .Don't underestimate what the Wakefield side a heaved that season to finish top of the league and also win the grand final,every team in super league except Catalan was involved and if it was Wigan or Leeds who had done this nobody would try and punch holes in their acheivment

A lot of what you are saying is true, but your credibility is ruined for me until you come clean and stop the pretence that you and Mopsey are not the same person - you are!

You're quick to question the moral fibre of players and fans alike so I'm challenging you to show some integrity and come clean.

Thanks