Ripping it up in championship by all accounts ? 2 1/2 games in he has scored 18 conversions 2 tries and 3 man of the match in 3 games, and is kicking them all round the park ?

Agar ?

Against London Skolars and Toulouse at home, and Keighley away. I'm pleased for the lad if it's going well for him, and his kicking would obviously be an asset compared to what we have, but let's also consider the quality of the opposition he's faced too.

Allways thought Moore had good potential why we didn't keep him and not Hyde I will never know. Moore can kick them from all over. Moore showed what he could do against Huddersfield at home last year where we beat them. I would have stuck with Moore he would have looked good in our team this year. Dissapointed we got rid.

But 'we have made our bed and we need to sleep in it' so to speak.

Comparing two players in different leagues is difficult.

It would help Woodys cause if he could kick though

Wood not creative enough in the halves, he is doing ok in his spells at hooker

Problem is theres nobody in the squad who is a natural goalkicker. People have mentioned Collis and Smith as options but if john & Cockayne are seen as better bets than those two then they can't be up to much. Not sure theres much in the reserves. The only person who looks competent at best is dale morton but i can't see a way into the team for him. With our self-imposed cap at its limit its going to be our nemesis all season by the looks of things.

It's a pity Moore wasn't a winger - given his kicking ability, I could see him playing a similar role to that of Jamie Foster at Saints.

All conjecture though - he's gone.

i'm really struggling after 3 games to see what Smith and John bring to the team, the 2 lads who played in the reserves next week please RA

Liam Kay & Matty Wildie

Jordan Grayston the U20 full back can kick goals from all over the park would not drop Mathers for him and not sure if he can play wing / centre

yeah put them both in, its not Johns goal kicking i'm on about its his and Smiths lack of Korean meatballs to have a go at teams

And he's not a winger.

Agree about John he hasn't found his feet yet but it's still very early and he's shown glimpses of what he can do but Smith's been pretty decent, he does all our organizing in the back line and has had a hand in about half of the tries we've scored, he's been a lot more sound in defense than I remember at Wigan as well.

Wasn't it announced that one of the main reasons that Gareth Moore left was that he didn't want to go full time because he had a decent job outside of the game so preferred to be a part time player at a lower level ?

We have no goalkicker

kyassor - think your right if memory recollects it was the reason given,bit like when John Bentley left Leeds

As I said - 'pity he's not a winger.'

I suppose the point I was making is that Foster is a pretty ordinary player, but he gets a game because he can kick goals for fun; shows the value of a high percentage kicker, when a team like Saints are prepared to carry him.

I feel for John - you can see his head go down every time he misses a kick, which is often. His confidence must be in tatters.

They bring an Australian accent and that goes a long way with some people. Not seen any evidence of them bringing any balls though, however, again this doesnt matter because they are Australian.

As I stated at the start of the season with our props been so small our halfs will struggle to look good. When we get Amour back and a prop that comes available we may see what they can do a bit more and sides which are smaller. I thought Johns was poor against Hull Kr. Smiths passing is very good.

You are talking through your

I can't understand the negative comments about Tim Smith - he's been involved in most of our try-scoring moves and has looked good in every game we've played. John isn't quite firing yet, but has shown some of his potential - I think he'll get better; he could do without the pressure of kicking though, which he's clearly no good at, as it seems his confidence takes a hit every time he misses one.

I have to say John is on the edge of being dropped, I think I'd be tempted to give Wood a shot> I'd keep going for now but he has to run with the ball more. Smith however has been great for us.
He has been at the beginning of everything good we have done, whether you like the amount of good the team have done is a different question.
He is clearly bossing the team. It will take time for them all to work together. We knew that when we started.

For me Smith is doing whats asked of him so cant understand the negative view of some.What is needed is for all the players to have a crack at goal kicking in training we might just turn a better kicker out.Yes normally its a back in the side who kicks but one or two forwards have been known to be decent kickers.I do think John needs to start showing what he can do might be better to start with Wood at 6 and John on the bench it just might give him more chance to settle instead of having the pressure of being thrown in at the deep end like he has.

It was Johns who had the foresight to put the spot on kick through for Cokaynes try.
A pity he was pulled back for receiving a foreward pass when in possible try scoring situation.
He was also the final pass giver in the last dissallowed try.
Give the lad a little more .
I see potential there.

I agree. There is potential......I'm just eager to see it

I have to agree, I think the lad has talent and can play a bit.

My only fear is that he has been given the goalkicking duties when I don't think he has done it before and his failure to convert may effect his confidence overall and his game. I would like to see someone else have a go - I think Cockayne took the conversion from Mathers try and kicks off and I also thought that Collis had kicked goals in the NRL.

Take the pressure of goalkicking off John's shoulders and I think he will blossom.