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| James Elston announces that the new Head Coach would be someone who would bring young players through to the first team.
Martyn Sadler says in today's LE that "Hull have a dreadful record of bringing young players through to the first team"
Just who do I listen to????
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| Number of Academy players given debut's this year at Hull FC - NIL!!!
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| Quote ="Micka"James Elston announces that the new Head Coach would be someone who would bring young players through to the first team.
Martyn Sadler says in today's LE that "Hull have a dreadful record of bringing young players through to the first team"
Just who do I listen to????'"
Not going to have much choice with us is he.
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| Quote ="black and Whiteley"Number of Academy players given debut's this year at Hull FC - NIL!!!'"
Being top 6 perhaps he didn't need to or am I stating the obvious.
Just because fans think players are ready it doesn't mean they are.
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| Quote ="vastman"Being top 6 perhaps he didn't need to or am I stating the obvious.
Just because fans think players are ready it doesn't mean they are.'"
As A Hull fan the most frustrating thing to see week in week out is looking at the bench before kick off and seeing Will Sharp (a winger) on the bench and brought on for the last 5 mins, this must have happened on at least 6 occasions, other coaches at top teams would have put a young forward on the bench and given him a couple of stints. Agar it appeared to us had a lack of faith in playing the kids and instead chose to waste a bench sopt on a winger who he had no intention of using.
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| Quote ="black and Whiteley"As A Hull fan the most frustrating thing to see week in week out is looking at the bench before kick off and seeing Will Sharp (a winger) on the bench and brought on for the last 5 mins, this must have happened on at least 6 occasions, other coaches at top teams would have put a young forward on the bench and given him a couple of stints. Agar it appeared to us had a lack of faith in playing the kids and instead chose to waste a bench sopt on a winger who he had no intention of using.'"
I wouldn't bet on that.
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| Quote ="Micka"James Elston announces that the new Head Coach would be someone who would bring young players through to the first team.
Martyn Sadler says in today's LE that "Hull have a dreadful record of bringing young players through to the first team"
Just who do I listen to????'"
I think people are missing the point to a degree, it's not about whether he has a record for developing young players at hull it's about whether he has the ability to develop them at Wakefield.
His remit at Trinity will be different to that which he had at FC in so much as the directive from the BoD will be to develop and promote an infrastructure that cultivates and takes advantage of a superb youth development structure.
Part of the interview process will have been focused on the prospective coach's ability and desire to deliver on the youth directive.
We already have one of the best systems in the game which is soon to be improved by funding from the 1873 club, that is where our future strength lies and Richard Agar must have recognised that fact or he wouldn't have been appointed.
Hull fans, journalists and just about anyone else can point to the past all they want but it bares no relevance to what's going to happen at Wakefield.
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| Quote ="The ClanI think people are missing the point to a degree, it's not about whether he has a record for developing young players at hull it's about whether he has the ability to develop them at Wakefield.
His remit at Trinity will be different to that which he had at FC in so much as the directive from the BoD will be to develop and promote an infrastructure that cultivates and takes advantage of a superb youth development structure.
Part of the interview process will have been focused on the prospective coach's ability and desire to deliver on the youth directive.
We already have one of the best systems in the game which is soon to be improved by funding from the 1873 club, that is where our future strength lies and Richard Agar must have recognised that fact or he wouldn't have been appointed.
Hull fans, journalists and just about anyone else can point to the past all they want but it bares no relevance to what's going to happen at Wakefield.'"
devils advocate a bit here, but he might have said he wanted to promote the youth, work with them etc to get the job. not everyone who ever applied for a job told the complete truth.
i am not saying he will or won't, but i do think a better indication is his past experience of doing something, rather than what he said in his interview.
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| Quote ="miamivice"devils advocate a bit here, but he might have said he wanted to promote the youth, work with them etc to get the job. not everyone who ever applied for a job told the complete truth.
i am not saying he will or won't, but i do think a better indication is his past experience of doing something, rather than what he said in his interview.'"
And if we pour an extra £250K a year into the youth system only for the coach to go against his word and more crucially against the directives issued by the BoD then said coach won't last too long.
Richard Agar will probably have performance targets to meet and will be regularly assessed against them, if he's failing to meet certain targets he will be held to account.
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| Quote ="miamivice"devils advocate a bit here, but he might have said he wanted to promote the youth, work with them etc to get the job. not everyone who ever applied for a job told the complete truth.
i am not saying he will or won't, but i do think a better indication is his past experience of doing something, rather than what he said in his interview.'"
As Clan has said, I firmly believe that Richard will be TOLD that this is a requirement. We are not in a position (yet) to sign World beaters.
We have one of the best youth development departments in Super League and as such I believe a big part of the interview and selection criteria will have been focused on this area.
Past performance will not matter, his remit will be to develop and bring through the youngsters. This will not be optional, it is the best and most sensible route forward for Wakefield Trinity.
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| What relation is Richard to Alan Agar
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| Quote ="WestofWakey"What relation is Richard to Alan Agar'"
Son I believe.
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| I think Clan has the truth of this one - regardless of what he did at Hull, part of RA's remit at WTW will be to develop young players.
As for the comments about telling porkies at a job interview - yes, most of us have done it, but when you reach a certain level, you can't really do that any more, particularly if you're the only one doing the job; in Agar's case, there's not exactly anyone for him to hind behind or blame if he doesn't do what he said he would do.
Maybe, just maybe, he did what he was told at Hull FC in respect of team selection? My understanding is that the Hetherington woman is not exactly backwards in coming forwards and there strong rumours of Agar experiencing fairly pernicious BoD interference in his job, so it's not beyond the pale to think that his hands were tied over there in a way that they won't necessarily be here.
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| So if we did want someone who could develop players.... Surely you would bring someone in with experience I doing so.
And on that point.., what experience of bringing young players through does Richard agar have or is it just ok to talk the talk ?!
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| Quote ="mwildcats"So if we did want someone who could develop players.... Surely you would bring someone in with experience I doing so.
And on that point.., what experience of bringing young players through does Richard agar have or is it just ok to talk the talk ?!'"
Fair point, i understand what may have happened at Hull and what he may be told to do at Wakey, But does he have the experience to do that?
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"Fair point, i understand what may have happened at Hull and what he may be told to do at Wakey, But does he have the experience to do that?'"
I thought the whole point of having no relegation was to be able to develop youth players without fear of being relegated? It just did not happen at Hull.
O.K. some may argue the play offs are still to be aimed for,but surely it is worth risking not making it if some youth players get a chance to develop their game?
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| Quote ="barton baird"I thought the whole point of having no relegation was to be able to develop youth players without fear of being relegated? It just did not happen at Hull.
O.K. some may argue the play offs are still to be aimed for,but surely it is worth risking not making it if some youth players get a chance to develop their game?'"
I think both clubs in this instance and a few others have fallen way short in development (Cas have done well) "WHY" its happened i don't know, its open to debate but the one sour note Kear leaves me with is the lack of youngsters coming through. Maybe he got told from upstairs and maybe when all said and done they are just not good enough to step up, who knows.
I have my doubts that Agar "maybe under different rules" is the man for that job, but time will tell.
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| I look forward to watching Wakey play against a team of young Hull prospects from the Academy next year now Agar has gone - yeah right
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| Quote ="barton baird"I thought the whole point of having no relegation was to be able to develop youth players without fear of being relegated? It just did not happen at Hull.
O.K. some may argue the play offs are still to be aimed for,but surely it is worth risking not making it if some youth players get a chance to develop their game?'"
It was .Develope english youth players to progress to the england team
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| Well Mr Elstons part of the old regime so my money would be on him telling the lies
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| i think the question should be did hull have any junior players good enough to step up?,it maybe just a coninsidence but since hkr have been in superleague that they seem to be the team in humberside promoting there youth.
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| Quote ="1873"I look forward to watching Wakey play against a team of young Hull prospects from the Academy next year now Agar has gone - yeah right'"
I would look forward to Gentle trying one or two out t.b.h.,something Agar didn`t do.
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| Quote ="kellys eye"It was .Develope english youth players to progress to the england team
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Do we have a plan B?
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