Half empty always moaning cynical done deal....Several comments that are thrown at me ...But I honestly think that the RL have already made their mind up to get rid of us and promote Widnes.

With that in mind the RL can not have us mid table or beyond by the time the franchises come round.Watch over this season the amount of debatable 50/50 decisions that go against us. Was it is just me or were several decisions by boy Child today debatable. Call me old fashioned .

I thought he was just as bad for Castleford.

Agreed 100% - eddie hemmings slipping in the comment last night on the preview show saying we'd gone into administration " earlier in the winter"- what like 7 hours ago .
Pathetic ... Tbh quite looking forward to playing "honestly "against teams I can drive to within the hour .

If you've already made your mind up that this is going to happen then there's little chance of you seeing it any other way to be honest.

It's red halls' vision that matters , not ours

Fat Boy himself Nigel Wood was on TalkSport today saying that a club will definately go and one will be promoted. There minds are made up it's Wakey absolutly no doubt there. It's up to the club to make it impossible for them to do this both on and off the pitch. It can be done. Although the massive influx of the Welsh for tomorrows game will go against us.

Quality..paying back Noble,Sharp's and Harris wages ...oh and the 700k they owe...but thats the game going forward.

Saw Wood Lewis et al during week in the promotionto SL on local news when they were asked about our chances they were like politicians not answering the question and giving the standard reply...it makes you sick...i am all for the game getting bigger and stronger but at what cost. We as a club will lose fans for good when they demote us.

I really wanted us and Cas, to have got, the stadiums sorted and seen how Red Hall would have handled that, alas it won't be.
For this year, I just hope we can get a few more players to stengthen, so we can at least perform on the field and not finish i the bottom 2.

Child is just a shi-t ref. So wouldn't read anything into that. Play with a good ref against a matched team and then see what happens.

To be honest you're the logical selection anyway. Crusaders haven't been on the scene long, it'll look bad if they send Catalans down, Don't mean to annoy anyone here but in the competition, you're just there really.

To be fair, and as a qualified ref, he was doing was he was told to do by Cummings. They have all been told to clamp down on laying on at the ptb. Korki was penalised twice in three minutes at the start. We need to adjust our methods of getting off the tackle. We also need to take advantage of other teams not getting off in time, by trying to get up quicker ourselves. Technique needs to adjust to the rule changes/clamp downs.

There was no excuse though for Ganson giving the try where there was the most blatant double movement I have seen in a long time. I couldn't quite hear the commentary from Sky, but I need convincing of why that was a clear try.

As for conceding other tries, we need a full back to scuttle across quicker than what was happening today. A full back needs to be able to get across as 'last line of defence' and today we were guilty of not sliding our line across. We need to work on that.

I thought that at first, however it

wasnt a double movement as the players in the tackle fell off him meaning it was play on and he could put the ball on the line, bit of luck that for Cas.

As a neutral, although child was picky, he got just about ever decision correct, Kear needs to work hard on your discipline as that and Cas having Rangi Chase was the reason you lost last night.

If thats the case you'll see what you want to see all season, i did consider in the second half that Child seemed to find fault with us at every turn, but i saw that last season and the season before, so i dismissed it.

All we can do is support the team.

apparently we are lead to believe all that whistling is to speed up the game. it has the opposite effect

I quite like the idea Child was trying to promote, because it was a very quick game, and we seemed to learn for a while before slipping back. If they maintain it, we could see some good rugby this year (provided you are a fan of scoots from dummy half). The main problem was that Child seemed to think that anything that goes wrong at the tackle is the fault of the tackler, and the wilier ones will soon start flopping and diving to the floor like a footballer (Sam Tomkins and Danny Maguire come straight to mind).

Ganson bothered me more. The Cas winger was clearly off-side, but thankfully he bounced it, and there was a tackler still holding onto the Cas player (have no interest in remembering his name) when the ball-carrying arm hit the ground.

Tommy Lee's pass cost us the game though, and there were many stroll-ins out wide. Good effort though, and that is what I want.

I'd agree with most of that, although I thought it was Millard's stupidity that cost us the game. At that point, we'd had a really good period of play and Cas were clearly rattled - his lazy hand on the ball took away all the momentum and gave them field position and a one man advantage - it went downhill from there.

having watched it again my view is we didnt learn early enough about how the game was being played and then adapted, cas did in the second half.

the enthusiasm was good, but that could have been a natural reaction to ther previous 24 hours, the quality however in key areas was poor.

Substitutions and the bench were baffling.

and as other have said we cannot play a sliding defence, especially against a half back with pace who runs across the line, there may be a point that we dont have a great tackler in the team either, again if we do we dont have one with pace. may be being harsh ion GM re the tackling.

but we have a team........can see it being a slog though

I don't disagree with you. The way I see it though is that Millard stopped us from chasing the game as we had been doing, whereas Tommy Lee's pass made us chase it in the first place.

Millard was shaking his head in bemusement when he came off, but if you asked him, "why did you put your hand on the ball?", the only answer he could honestly give would be, "to slow the man down."

As long as they are consistent and carry it on through the season. Let's see how they get on with the Rhino's, because they are the worst for it.

We already know they're not going to be consistent - if Mr Silverwood had taken the same approach as Mr Childs, the Saints/Wigan game would have been farcically disjointed.

Why was every other game reffed differently though? That was a blatent double movement the rules state soon as a finger is laid on the opponent then the tackle is complete on the floor. Really strange. Wigan and St Helens was reffed totally different . No consistency. 37 pens in a non dirty game really glad i didnt pay to watch that. PAthetic . Our lads did really well. If wigan was reffed the same then that would have been 60 penalties no consistency.

If teams know they are going to get penalised for not getting out of the way, they should learn to stop doing it. It should be within the capacity of coaches to get them to do that. We all moan when teams slow down our play the ball against us, it is just that they are being extra strict about it now. If teams dont do it, then the game IS faster, and more fun to watch. Look how fast some of the NRL sides ptb, it is miles faster than our game.

Other games are reffed 'differently' because they have different refs, they see things differently, they focus their view of the game slightly differently. I think if Child reffed the same game again or watched it again on tape, he would have looked differently at some things, for and against both teams - it is one mans view at the time.

Soon as a finger is laid on? This isn't touch rugby! The ball carrying arm has to be down and to have been stopped moving forwards, the ref didnt think that he had been stopped moving forwards. Until he calls held or shouts the tackle count, then the player is entitled to play on. That is what Ganson would have listened out for, the refs call and whether he felt the player had been stopped, whether the tacklers had fallen off the man, etc..

Don't get me wrong, I thought it was a double movement when I watched it, but refereeing is about opinions and views. Theirs count, mine doesn't!



As for the Saints Wigan game having less pens, their players both 'respected the ruck', they cleared the tackle a lot quicker than both Cas and Wakey. Which is quite often the way Aussie/NZ coaches like it to be. Certainly after watching the previous match, they would have learned that the effects of lying on, is penalties and sin binnings.

Hi everyone on this forum, been a long time viewer of this forum, and a life long fan of wakefield, and no im not ted richardson before you think about convienent timing of me joining. just got back from Cardiff, and thinking wakefield were going to get pummeled, we did well, and yes the ref was terrible, in fairness to both sides, double movements like that where you'd put your house on it, get tries, words will be said at whitehall. hopefully

You are Ted and i claim my £5



Welcome to the fun house, are you a rose tinted or doom and gloomer




Always happy to see new posters onboard.

i was doom and gloom under are previous ownership but now very rose tinted. just got back from cardiff and are support was great, hopefully that can be shown down at belle vue this year.

So you're expecting it to go all the way to the top then?

"Would the right Hon gentleman join me in sending a clear message to Mr Childs? The man was clearly held and therefore, a double movement is the only conclusion one can draw"

"I would concur with my Rt Hon friend; Wakey were clearly robbed"

<much jeering and shouting ensues>