Agreed, it was a nice piece of play from Ben. He played a bit of centre in his time at Fev and I would be opposed to him and Lyne switching positions. Ben though does need to stop crabbing accross the field and thinking he is a stand off though. That he definately ain't!

Can't be having any of that on here

The killer passes need to stop too.

Ben isnt a centre IMO. I understand he gets a free role but he should be on the wing in defence, not much bothered about attack as the ball rarely gets thrown out to him there. Should Fox be brought in and Cockayne dropped with Kay on the otherside?

I think Lyne has shown if he has a future at the club then it should be on the wing. Both slots may be up for grabs next year.

There were a few glimmers of hope. I thought Goulding looked interesting when he came on - he tried a few things that we haven't really seen before; those attacking kicks that almost came up trumps were great attempts and if he featured regularly, that aspect of his game could take some pressure off Smith.

Kay for me is a dead set replacement for Foxy - he doesn't necessarily make the metres that Foxy does when running into traffic, but he appears to be as good or better at just about everything else; he holds his position in defence, can take a high ball and is way quicker. And that's before he even gets near SO, which is his actual position.

Tautai showed much better ball security and some of his runs were real barnstormers - there were several occasions when they couldn't put him down. I'm guessing that his short stints are about fitness and conditioning - hopefully he'll be on the park for longer next season.

Big Ali's reverse flick out the back of a 3 man tackle was a lovely touch - there's life in the old dog yet!

Lyne finally opened his legs and showed a bit of what he can do when he backs himself; more of that would be welcome.

Amor was immense and Kirmo, despite looking a bit jaded, made 2 try savers in one set, the first one having tracked back 40 metres to get involved.

We're going to finish about where I expected, but I agree there are a few players who need to be replaced if we're going to play a part in next season's do or die relegation scrap.

I agree with bren and if Kay put abit more bulk on he would do what foxy did well. If Lee Smith is staying then stick Lyne on the wing and thats our back 4 done IMO.
Although Mathers played bad yesterday, I could tell he was injured with how heavily the arm was strapped up.

Kay looked ok, but for me he is definately not the long term answer for a wing spot. As for been better under the high ball than Foxy, on yesterdays showing im not sure???
Having seen him play various positions for the academy/reserves/Donny, i personally think he has looked his best at 6. Good enough to play SO at the top level im not sure?

IF RM was that injured yesterday, why the hell was he playing, in a game that based on the 1st half performance (and the league table) meant pretty much nothing?

There's only one way to find out I guess - stick him in there next week and see how he gets on.

I thought it was tough on Foxy being singled out as, in my opinion, we seem to leak more trys down Cockaynes wing.
Any knowledgible statisticians about?

Few of my thoughts from yesterday....

Kaye Did very well I thought, worthy of keeping his place and didnt let anybody down.

Collis No real threat from him, assume he was still suffering the effects of the injury.

Lyne Showed up pretty well and worthy of his place.

Cockayne Plenty of effort and determination again, but whilst he had a decent game it looks increasingly less likely he will recapture his early season form.

L Smith Absolute passenger yesterday, truly awful - but in his defense he is still out of position so.....

T Smith Off day, supposed top quality half back who can only pass one way.... can allow him a sally as he has no Sykes.

Amor Outstanding, man of the match by a country mile. Well played again.

Aton Need more from him in attack, needs to play like he did against FC and Widnes rather than simply standing and passing.

Poore Honestly can't see what the fuss is about this lad is for, after pulling his socks up for a few games mid season he has slipped back. If he was state of origin quality then there's hope for Kyle Bibb yet. Send him to Dr Cockrash and cash in for me - use the money for a genuine half. He is basically Korkidas reincarnated for me.

Kirkmond Clearly not fit, but still our 2nd best player. Deserves a medal for the shifts he has put in the last few weeks.

Washbrook Badly out of form - question is like Cockayne, can he ever get it back?

Goulding Very nice in what he played, offered us something different. Would really be keen to see more of him.

Too many passengers on the park for me, mainly due to us playing a makeshift side with 'make do and mend'. Somebody at some point this year decided we had enough half backs when deciding a couple of players were "surplus to requirements" and that decision has probably cost us a play off place.

I don't knock the coaching staff for poor performances on the field, that lies firmly at the feet of the players, but when strategic decisions are got wrong like this one then whoever has made them needs to be held accountable.

Not sure about that but it would only be reasonable as both have been doing the same things wrong and only one being dropped.

One thing I'd like to know is who is Kirkmond

I've heard it all now, so a good coach would have us in the top 6

Would think we have let more in on the left side than the right thats how it appears to me.We were that dire yesterday we made a dire saints side look good.

What's funny? Kear got us to 5th in 2009 with a similar squad.

To be honest much as I was disappointed yesterday after some thought the 3 games ...Leeds twice & Bulls were the 3 we could have won we were just a Broughy/ Chase away from taking 2 points from each of those games . The Wire game was again a close loss. Think the players have now got to the point that they've tried and tried and can alos see we need that X factor . yesterday they looked tired and maybe time to bring a few of the dual reg folk back and give the oldies a rest ( am thinking Mathers in particular) Its in no way a criticism of Mathers as I like him and the influence he has on the team but he could do with a rest to come back fresher.

This is my feeling on the game too, a game that despite the loss I really enjoyed
Thought there were some great individual efforts, Amore can't be far from an England call up
The determination in the two try saving tackles Kirmond put in towards the end of the match were oustanding
The Lynne length of pitch try
Tautis run up the middle of the pitch! Think we have a real gem in this guy
Our defense as a team has come on in leaps and bounds and some of the attacking play was excellent, I love watching TS play, the guy is magic

I just feel we need some one to take the pressure off TS a bit.......... a LF that has an attacking kicking game mayhaps
Braith Anasta to replace Washbrook would be nice

Watching Anasta this year. I'd rather have Washbrook

Ditto

If Addy has signed as been rumoured and him at Loose Forward would take pressure off of Timmy because he has a great kicking game IMO.

If this is anything to go by www.superleague.co.uk/player/10873 he needs to cut down on the missed tackles. Super Leagues leading tackle misser (is that a word????) www.superleague.co.uk/stats

If this is anything to go by www.superleague.co.uk/player/10873 he needs to cut down on the missed tackles. Super Leagues leading tackle misser (is that a word????) www.superleague.co.uk/stats

Wasn't mellars a winger at Crusaders. Is he worth a punt ahead of Fox.

You are right to laugh at that statement as it is indeed incorrect
It should have read "an average coach would have us in the top 6"
We have good players underperforming for a poor coach.

I don't agree
As an example, one of our better players, in Lee Smith, couldn't get a game with the Leeds reserves.
Mathers was let go by Cas, Cockayne was kicked out by HullKR (admittedly not for football reasons) Leeds didn't want Amor, Kirmond was let go by Huddersfield......they could all have been retained.
Even Tim Smith was struggling to play first grade. Only the bottom teams in Super League were interested.

We as a club and the current and previous coach in some cases made them into a good team.
We have hardly got a team of all talents that could just walk in the top 6.

I do however think we are are at the top end of the group below that and we could, with some stability and a couple of additions make it into that group as Hull KR are doing.