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| Quote ="musson"Finally some one in this thread talks sense
When I first heard Frankie was going to Fev is was really peeved as I didnt feel he'd being given enough playing tim but the fact is you have to earn your right to play 1st grade RL, Frankie IMO defo has the ability but is clearly doing something wrong some where
As a manager (in any job) its your job to get the best from your team, people respond and raise the bar in different ways, I can only assume that Agar has deemed that this is the way to get FM playing at his best
I absolutley hope it works and will be ready to cheer frankie until i lose my voice when he comes back to trin to play in the first team!
Its up to you now Frankie! but know we are all supporting you!'"
I would add to that by saying as a manager (in any job) you have a responsibility to the people who work for you.
Sometimes that means giving them the hard facts about their career and their work ethic.
Letting someone go, who is not performing is sometimes the best thing for that person, especially if they are really not capable of doing what you want them to do.
Frankie may find with another coach with another style that he will flurish and become a better player. he may also find that he realises the opposite of what Clan was saying - that actually, Featherstone is his level and he isn't cut out for Super League. He'll be a lot happy with his life when he does find his place.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"At that time we needed a change I agree. Glover been awesome for us I am not twisting it around and saying its his fault I know you want me to but I am not. Hope Frankie comes back better and stronger, I am fine with that its just the fact he should be playing now Mellers doesnt deserve a place, Sykes should be dropped but isn't I question the fairness. Just prayer to god Agar knows what hes doing.'"
Is Mellors playing, I reckon his first choice will be Kirmond, Ali and Anakin?
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| Although Im no fan of Agar if a player is not doing it and cutting corners then why should he pick him.Agar said of Amor he was cutting corners and he didnt get in the side and obviously Amor has taken that on board and come back into the side.It dont matter who the coach is he will get my vote every time if a player is not giving it his all or being a bad boy if he is left out of the side.Some players will knuckel down and do whats asked others will just sulk as per what happened under JK with Brough and Scully.Brough accepted it and got on with it Scully sulked and finished his SL playing days.Its a measure of a man of how he deals with things when its not going his way 2 choices get stuck in and deal with it or go with the flow and sink..I hope Frankie gets stuck in and deals with it and if he does all well and good.
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| Quote ="The Clan"Annakin and Mariano are 2 good examples to use here
Chris Annakin (2012): not applying himself in training and finds himself out on loan in Workington. I'm sure he stood at Derwent Park, in front of a few hundred fans on a cold Thursday night and thought how the hell did I get here.
Result, he comes back, changes his attitude and trains like he should have right from the beggining and finds himself playing Super League on a regular basis.
Frankie Mariano, a player with all the physical attributes you'd want in a second rower, someone who really ought to be ripping it up and banging on the door of the England dressing room. Instead he'll be turning out in the Championship at Batley, I like Mount Pleasant by the way but it aint the DW, KC or the Gilbert Brutus!
Now if Frankie has it within him he'll be honest with himself about why he's there and admit that consistantly offering less than 100% effort has lead him to a crossroads in his Rugby League career.
It remains to be seen whether he's got the mental attributes to match his physical ones enabling him to follow Chris Annakins example.'"
Good post.
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| Question to The Clan do you actually attend training and academy games on a regular basis .if so, all well and good .but if not where does your actual info come from
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| Quote ="victarmeldrew"Question to The Clan do you actually attend training and academy games on a regular basis .if so, all well and good .but if not where does your actual info come from'"
I shouldn't think he does, however given his connections I'll give him the benefit.
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| I do better than that
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| Quote ="The Clan"I do better than that'" sleep with the coach ?
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| Quote ="victarmeldrew"Question to The Clan do you actually attend training and academy games on a regular basis .if so, all well and good .but if not where does your actual info come from'"
Agar himself came out a few weeks ago and said something along the lines of Mariano's been cutting corners in training, so make of that what you want.
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| We enquired about bringing Frankie back on loan but agar stopped the move
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"We enquired about bringing Frankie back on loan but agar stopped the move'"
I guess he rates the guy enough not to face him but not enough to play him.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I would add to that by saying as a manager (in any job) you have a responsibility to the people who work for you.
Sometimes that means giving them the hard facts about their career and their work ethic.
Letting someone go, who is not performing is sometimes the best thing for that person, especially if they are really not capable of doing what you want them to do.
Frankie may find with another coach with another style that he will flurish and become a better player. he may also find that he realises the opposite of what Clan was saying - that actually, Featherstone is his level and he isn't cut out for Super League. He'll be a lot happy with his life when he does find his place.'"
I think thats a really fair comment too
Some players have to be realistic and if they cant cut the mustard have to move on
I really dont think this is the case with Frankie though, its only my opinion but i think the loan move is putting a rocket up frankies so to speak
Agar has enough experience in the job to know how best to play it I'm sure
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| Wouldn't it have been better to let him come on loan to us though and play super league rather than play in the championship it isn't as if he would have played against you
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Wouldn't it have been better to let him come on loan to us though and play super league rather than play in the championship it isn't as if he would have played against you'"
Can't see why Agar would block that unless the Fev deal was better for Frankie. I can't see why it would help or hinder us either way.
.......apart from maybe if he thinks he's guarenteed a place at Fev, and may still be 18th man at Rovers
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Wouldn't it have been better to let him come on loan to us though and play super league rather than play in the championship it isn't as if he would have played against you'"
Unless you know all the details, which none of us do, then it's impossible to say.
I imagine though that Agar is balancing what's best for the player with what's best for WTW, with very little or no regard at all for what's best for HKR; which is exactly as it should be.
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| Quote ="bren2k"[uUnless you know all the details, which none of us do, then it's impossible to say.[/u
I imagine though that Agar is balancing what's best for the player with what's best for WTW, with very little or no regard at all for what's best for HKR; which is exactly as it should be.'"
Thats about right, we'll never know so its all speculation for the time being.
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| Quote ="El Rey"Thats about right, we'll never know so its all speculation for the time being.'"
True. And speculating further, it's probably about getting his attitude right, rather than his ability right. Spend a couple of months with a bunch of guys who are good enough in a lower league to show you your own backside, and you might think again.
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| maybe Agar has in the back of his mind what a spell at Fev did for Ben Cockayne, even if it is a slightly different circumstance (ie more on the field than off the field situation)? not to mention Ellis.
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| Could have at least brought Andy Ellis back as part of the deal.... Wishful thinking I know.
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| Well Mariano made his debut from the bench at the weekend and what a debut!
Almost scored with first touch, a try with second touch - some lung-busting drives in second half
Looks a great signing for us, hope we can keep him longer than a month
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| I hope he keeps it up with the scoring & drives for fev. A good player who will benefit from more game time on the pitch. Good luck to him & hopefully see him back at Belle Vue soon.
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| Quote ="Fevxr2i"Well Mariano made his debut from the bench at the weekend and what a debut!
Almost scored with first touch, a try with second touch - some lung-busting drives in second half
Looks a great signing for us, hope we can keep him longer than a month'"
Good luck to him.
You may have just found yourself a buddy for life on here mate.
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| Quote ="El Rey"Good luck to him.
You may have just found yourself a buddy for life on here mate.'"
Maybe NGB4C followed some of the advice given to him last week.
Joking aside Marino is a cracking player who should destroy defences a level down from SL.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Maybe NGB4C followed some of the advice given to him last week.
Joking aside Marino is a cracking player who should destroy defences a level down from SL.'"
He's also still our player.
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| Quote ="vastman"He's also still our player.'"
and i think thats the whole point, he will be getting regular game time which he hasnt been getting at belle vue. Personally i think that as an offensive player he offers more than either annekin or mellors - but offense isnt our problem its our rubbish defense that is costing us game s
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