The scoreline flattered us. Wigan's fatigue factor in the second half saved us from a fearful tonking and two of our own tries came from breakaways when Wigan had the ball. It's the same mistakes every week, poor handling and dumb penalties that cost us, seriously we must be the dumbest team ever to set foot on a rugby field.

I feel for Agar a bit with the lack of front row options available but putting Walshaw there was not the answer. Trout played much of his junior rugby there, he would have been a better bet. Very poor, I expected more this week, not necessarily a win but to see some cohesion between the halves and the backs. It didn't happen and it needs to pretty damn quick. In fact starting next week.

On the plus side Sammut looked dangerous with the ball in hand, on the minus Godinet didn't. McShane didn't have a good game at all and Wildie really needs to be on the bench to spell him. Oh and Richie Mathers, either grow a pair or do the decent thing and retire now.

Have Bradford any more we can have because I think we need them.

Did we really have a front row issue or did Agar select not to play some forwards who had come up with 'knocks'. Bet we see all these players next just like the last few times we've played Wigan away

My thoughts exactly...

Well I don't see why Agar would lie about it only have 2 props is going to make any side struggle.
Annakin out with knee as is Anderson.
Moore hamstring, when's he going to be back?
Raleigh last minute hamstring I believe.

Thought Ryan was either a prop/second row? Why didn't he start at prop with his experience there instead of Walshaw?

Needed our strongest possible pack to start and should have realised Wigan would throw everything at us first half. Never mind onwards to the big pack of Les Cats who are desperate for a win also.

Played majority of his games in the NRL at backrow. You'd think of his size he would be a prop but some imports who comes over are classed as utility forwards find out its alot tougher over here when played front row for ex. Mitch Achurch.

He is a decent attacking full back...unfortunately that is not the primary function of a full back as I don't need to tell any of you. Ask yourself the question, do you feel confident in your full back when a bomb goes up? Do you feel you have a great last ditch tackller..which is another thing you want fom a class full back? Does he pre-empt the trouble with vision? No to all. He is a wafer thin full back who joins the line well and attacks ok but offers you no reliability, your no.1 thing for a no.1...that said, if this relates to anything connected to today, I wasn't there so I can't comment on today, just his entire pevious perfomance since joining us.

I totally agree though it gives me no pleasure at all to be witnessing another Wakefield massive error of judgement. The best investment we could have made during the break was to pay his last year off. I am utterly at a loss to see what on earth posessed the club to offer him another 3 years. 7 match winning run.. big deal. Another 50+ games of utter ineptitude, excuses, facial grimaces on sky sports games that drive me mad, platitudes about great team spirit...but disjointed, disorganised performances on the field that leave you feeling there is no real plan or hope..just the same old rubbish. I didn't go today. The result could have been worse I suppose but pretty poor all the same. 3 years is more than we can probably afford to rid ourselves of this blight on our hope. You idiots for giving him that contract is all I can say

And we watched how Hull played against us in the year before we appointed him with our weakest team in seasons..and we still gave him a job!

If only we could leave him there..permananetnly

3 games in...Richard Agar should have been sacked at the end of last season. The performances were largely abysmal last season. I'm sory, Stop signing players we probably can't affod and get rid of Agar. We will stand a better chance

Francis Cummins maybe?

On the upside;

Tautai had his best game in the RW&B by quite some margin - if he plays like that every week, happy days.

Sammut showed what he can do and it was great to see him making breaks - and credit to Foxy for going with him in support; if we get used to doing that, he'll create a few more. Plus he kicked goals from all over the park.

Godinet looked enterprising at times - just needs to be more decisive; a couple of times he looked in two minds and ended up doing nothing. Great interception though (again - obviously a speciality) and some good attempts near the line; if that short ball had stuck for Smith, it was a certain try.

Reece Lyne (bear with me) - absolutely blistering pace down the wing to score; if he can find a way to get out of the 'avoid a mistake' style of play he seems to prefer and learn to back himself, he could still make an impact.

Daniel Smith - a really impactful young forward; could be looking at another Amor if he continues to develop.

Jordy Crowther - a great debut; took his opportunity well and did not let himself down in any way. One to watch.

I'm not excusing the team performance, which was poor, but it's important to acknowledge that it wasn't all bad; there were some individuals worthy of praise. With Raleigh, Anderson and Collis back in the mix and Scruton added in, we've got the ability.

Attitude however looked poor from some people who should know better; I'd like to see our players fighting harder to get up from the floor when attacking and in defence, do some of the things that other teams do to us in week in week out to slow the ptb down; we don't seem to have much gamesmanship in us and whilst I don't advocate cheating, it is a bit like an arms race - for example, how many times did Wigan flirt with obstruction yesterday by having men in the line - but only get pinged for it once? If you can't beat 'em, join 'em?

Thanks for that reasoned assessment Bren.
I too think that Lynne has got something ......remember the try against Saints.

I think Smith played with no break in first half didn't he? And some of second half.
Can't fault his effort there.

The problem with last paragraph is that we are clearly not good at that and give penalties away. That's the one area we can't afford to make worse

I agree - which is why I'm advocating getting better at it!

Point well made

Now he's bulked up a bit he can certainly break the odd tackle. he's got pace he just doesn't back himself out wide enough. When he has he's looked a prospect. Cut out the mistakes add confidence and belief and he could be a decent winger.

Unless you can give him a heart he'll never make a decent winger

Nobody but himself can help with confidence and belief.
If he never backs himself to beat someone on the outside or out muscle someone, no amount of chances will change that.
Just ask Justin Carney.

So we've got Lyne that needs a heart
TT needs a brain
Mathers needs his courage

We should get a musical on!

Who gives a flying monkeys any way

Who was ordinary against HKR and got bundled into touch by Greg Eden at one point. Just for reference.

And I'm not sure I agree that Lyne is the only one who can help himself; he looks to me like a young lad who's petrified of making a mistake, and that changes his game - he doesn't go on the outside for fear of being bundled into touch, he doesn't go over the top for fear of dropping the ball and he appears to panic near the line - he missed one on Sunday because he didn't go low enough.

I have no idea what you do with a young player who's at this stage in his career - I still think he has the attributes, but I'm not sure what you do to get him to effectively employ them.

It doesn't matter how many people help him to overcome his nerves/fright.
Ultimately it's down to Lyne to have belief in his ability.
Carney was ordinary against HKR but he backed himself to score, was probably the only thing that Eden got right on the night!

He backed himself on the outside v Johnny Lomax and scored a great try.If he can do it once he can do it again.
Needs encouragement to go for it.
But I insist there there is much more to come.
Thats the point, he has more potential than many 'steady' threequarters, who people have insisted be included.