I'm glad everybody's mentioning what's wrong this season I've thought from the second game. It does look like Finn needs a rest He's even missed a couple of penalty kicks to touch & his gking hasn't been up to much But to be fair most of them have been from the touchline we cant seem to score (Not much anyway) anywhere else. Why are we not giving ourselves a chance on the "up & under" nobody is following them up. Topou although a great player seems to be ignoring Johnston on the wing He's rarely getting a pass. With all the promise of Pauli he does seem to be a one trick pony the difference between him & BMM is huge. Bishop is having problems on the wing does he want to be a centre? cause he's playing there more often than not. CC has some sorting out to do 20 mins into the second half the forwards were on there knees I know it's only round six but others are catching up fast & we have some tough games ahead & now we are in danger of falling behind

Pauli's a hard one for me, do we continue to play him because we knew he wouldn't be 100% up to game speed when he came over after Christmas, so he missed a fair bit of preseason and then add in the injury he was recovering from. But then again at the moment, although his average gain is about the same as England's, but compared to England he isn't doing enough minutes and his work rate is nowhere near high enough. Do we even play him in a few reserve games when they come along to get more minutes into his legs?
I personally thought we were seeing slight improvements in the first few games but he hasn't really kicked on & turned into the player we thought atm and probably his teammates thought as well, after listening t the likes of Fifita and Wood speak about him before the season.
CC must be able to see all his stats, as well as that technology they wear on their shirts so he'll be able to assess him better.Hopefully, Pauli can really work on his fitness because for me it's that which is stopping be the player I've watched before. Maybe that's why CC was talking about turning him to a back rower, to get his fitness higher.With Fitness he should have the impact of someone like BMM has when he pays well, which Tbh until this game he'd been very average for Wire.

It's not just Pauli for me either, Huby and Hirst aren't hitting their form from last year. Both their AG is under 6 compared to well over 7 last year. I know that doesn't tell you the full story but when you look at tackle busts and other stuff it gives you an idea. just like when you compare the forward stats from 2016 to last season, they were far better especially the meters we were making as a pack. Even Arona is 2 meters down a carry. I know the weather with the pitch being so heavy which hasn't helped big forwards get going and driving but other forwards have been doing it.

Agree with that. Last season the bench was a big deciding factor in a number of games we won, thus no matter who was on the pitch the performance level apart from the odd game didn't drop. The bench doesn't seem to be as effective so far, especially these last couple of games and even before that.
Agree about getting Batch in there, he can take over the goal-kicking duties as well.

CC will know better than me but maybe get Hooley or Jowitt back in at FB for a couple of games, along with letting MCB in for BJB to maybe freshen things up and also jeep players on their toes.

Pauli for me has been untouchable the guy can drink and party with the best of em.
Rugby wise you cant hammer it like that boy and compete In super league.

Anyway thinking about the game some more, yes we lost & I was a bit dirty afterwards because we played some good stuff, scored some nice tries and went there to win but that start to the 2nd half and the soft tries, especially Lineman's 2 tries that were exactly the same that we should have dealt with, ruined for me what was a good game against 2 well-matched teams, who both went to play the game the right way.
Good to read so many compliments on the Wire board about our team and the way we played in general. Hopefully we can get them back at our place.

Can anyone remember the last time a ref gave a penalty for a ball carrier leading with the knee? I can't. We really do seem to cop some bizarre calls sometimes.

Finn's in play kicking hasn't been great for ages. Same high bomb that is always far too deep and down the throat of a winger or fullback without any of our players able to challenge for it. It's boring. Wish we'd sometimes try a chip or a kick that finds the floor.

I can't, but that does not render the offence redundant. It's one of the most dangerous plays a big man can make, risking serious head injury to any would-be tackler.

I agree. Certainly. I'm merely pointing out that some of the calls we get are just bizarre and when you see some of them weekly it starts to make you wonder.

I see the wingers and moaners who only appear when we lose are out in force - pathetic as ever.

Wakey warrior, is that you Mopsey sowing trouble as ever?

Changes needed for cas. I'd bring in arundel for Lyne and wood for Finn give rocky a go at 7. Finn caught out a few times in defence last night

I'm a massive Arundel fan an I'm also one of those who used to criticise Lyne years ago because he was pap. But Lyne was good against Warrington and deserves his place in the 13.

Last one I can remember was Stuart Fielden so we're going back a while.

Craig Smith ended the career of John Stankevitch by doing this so it’s hardly a bizarre call

Regards

King James

Agree! One of the most bizarre calls I've ever seen, Pauli has an explosive leg drive but leading with the knee!?

I think you have to go back pre Fred Lindop (the best referee imo ever) for a penalty as stupid as that

He didn't lead with the knee though
It was a bad call from Childs

I thought the same to me he was a bit bent over leading with the shoulder if any thing, how could he raise his knees

The wire player looked to go low and get bumped off may have copped a knee but it didn’t look like Pauli was doing anything other than driving it in. I get the need for it but I was a bit puzzled at the game. Not seen a penalty in super league myself for that before in all our years. It’s a bit like the downtown penalty. We got penalised last year for downtown despite no interference in play. The week after on Sky exactly the same and the player downtown got involved in play to eventually score (think was cas or Leeds) but it wasn’t penalised like it rarely is. This isn’t a moan atvrefs or some conspiracy btw . I just find it strange or unlucky.

One thing that worries me is maybe how the officials perceive Wakefield team this season. We have been pinged and destroyed by officials against Wigan and Warrington around the ruck with penalties. That needs to stop.

The one thing I didn’t like at Wire was we made a number of breaks but a number of times ref held up play and wakey lost momentum. A wire player got bumped off Pauli and we got on front foot with an offload and the ref stopped play and ran to the wire player who was having a nice stretch and then run back to the defensive line that was then set. Think this needs to be looked at in more detail around how and when play is stopped.

A guy on Twatter is complaining of Trinity supporters singing IRA songs on Friday night, I wasn't there so couldn't comment, did anyone hear this chant or is he just stirring it?

He's talking rubbish
Rule Britannia
Up the Trin

I didn’t hear any IRA songs but then again I don’t know any.

We were stood infront of the lads singing! There were no ira songs and they all clapped for a minute when asked too in respect to the two young lads who died in the bombing.

Be very careful what you say Vastman doesn't like it when you tell it as it is Gi it a rest Vastman

It was your G that pointed it out on Twitter.

I was there and I heard nothing about the IRA at all.