The problem with that argument is that he had no budget whatsoever and had to cobble together a team from this type of player. Totally different situation. Its like sending the Mrs to Aldi with a fiver, your hardly going to be treated to a feast at dinner time! Whereas Agar has had the luxury of being able to sign top players.

TBF he did have a limited budget.

Agreed but maybe, just maybe Ellis comes with baggage.
Ellis is an orthorox hooker and you might ask could Aiton play at loose forward???
Maybe Ellis is someone you don't want causing trouble in one way or a another.

No matter how small your budget is you stay away from players of that calibre.

However the same small budget gave him a chance to sign a young winger from Huddersfield called McGillvary but he was adamant he would never be good enough.

He was also offered a young kid from Leeds called Ben James Bishop but refused him saying we had better players.
That kid went to London and had a great season.

JK was great coach but terrible on recruitment.

I have my doubts about Agar he has a better team this year yet we will finish below 9th this is not good progression this is the best team we have had in years! I am not sure he is worth a new deal. I think he tries to be like one of the boys like he did at Hull. He singles players out he wants to single out i.e. Reece Lynn. I am not overly convinced by Richard Agar I think a change would be good????? Demetriou anyone?

So do you.
Why single out Lynne.
He is one that really has potential.
But then again I know nothing about Rugby League.

and yet this new coach, managed in his first season to get us into the top8, including a record 7 wins in a row. Remind me again what happened the year after that top 6 win with Kear. I was JK fan but he seems to get better to some fans the more time passes.

Will the 7 losses in a row that this season is likely to culminate with cancel out last seasons 7 game winning streak?!

With regards to Kear, I still think he is the superior head coach of the two, but his time at BV had run its course. He had begun making equally bizarre bench selections as Agar is doing now, and the was a real lack of evidence the players were actually being coached, much the same as this season. It took Kear 4-5 years to get to that stage, Agars done it in two.

Plus Kear had a substantially inferior squad to work with in his last season yet achieved only two less victorys than Agars squad of 2013 has.

Think there was a quote from Eddie Hemmings earlier in the season, that since 2006 Hull have been in 'the wilderness'. Gentle had a hit and miss first season but has got them to Wembley, has got some good young players to go with the established players and a few shrewd signings. I expect them to get better and better. To me he seems like a coach that knows what he is doing.

I still would have Ellis back if we had chance!

Are you being sarcastic with the other comment?

Towards the end of his reign Kear coached dull rugby, it was dire to watch, at least under Agar we look more creative!

Agar's put together this team and he has to take responsibility for their poor performances. The 7 match unbeaten run masked some serious deficiencies for us last year, this year they've been obvious for all to see. Agar has to go for me, too many favourites and not making good enough choices, tactically, in terms of selection and in recruitment.

P.s he got rid of the players who were key to the 7 match unbeaten run!

Fluke. As this saeason and most of the previous one amply demonstrates

EXACTLY my thoughts. Tuson looks useful but he does not look the biggest forward on the pitch and stature vs the opposition is a problem fo me. He is promising but how will he perform in a much lesser side? We know, or at least I think, Mariano was a very good player with size, power and pace...but a face that doesn't fit for King Richard, so we lose a great find to a local rival. We'll see what Tuson does. I just hope we don't live to regret losing Frankie

Good call. No harm at all, especially as Tim Smith hasn't looked great to me fo the last couple of games

Id agree with that - Goulding and Kay at 6-7 would be interesting to see and a chance to see if we have a half option there for 2014 who can make the grade.

My main bug this season has been Agar has seriously disturbed the stability of the squad and altered 2/3 players roles to accommodate a player who is not a 6 at 6. This has been shocking man management from agar. I'm not anti Agar either. He has a good year last year. I still think he can be the coach for us to play well under but for gods sake give players their respective roles and if there is an injury replace them with a player next best capable from academy or whatever. The top teams don't move 2/3 players out of their routine roles to accommodate a forward at 6.

And can we stop this 7 wins stuff. That was last year, it was applauded then and rightly so.

But equally we can string together a handful of losses here and there that are equally concerning.

Well said Stanley Cat. I'm sick of Agar and his feeble post match analysis and I'm sick of reading drivel from his apologists. He has achieved sweet FA at Hull or at Wakefield. More important is how we play. We cannot pass in a fluid manner. Our wide defence is feeble. Our wings and full back and shaky under a high ball. Our full back tackles like Shirley Temple. Agar cannot use a bench effectively, a major weapon for a modern coach. We have no concept of ball security. We can barely get though a set of 6 without an error and frequently we look utterly clueless about what to do on the 6th tackle. These are RL basics and we have looked clueless apart from the fabled 7 match run....7 matches where we looked like a side out of about 60...not a good strike rate. Kear was boring some say? At least he understood the fact that you need ball security and field position before you start chucking the ball around. He just often didn't have the players to get it for him, hence the dull Rugby from some of his teams. When he had the playes, look how good we were then! 2009; look at that squad and where they are now and we were an attractive and solid side, as opposed to this team, who look decentish on paper but play like every play has to be scored from. You can call it exciting if you like. I call it bloody idiotic and they NEVER LEARN. Agar has singularly failed to see it fo about 18 months; now he acknowledges it but can't change it. If he gets 2 more years I despair

A little harsh on mathers Charlie. He has been like a rock at the back rarely drops one and makes difficult takes under pressure. He has also shown improvement in putting himself in for try saving tackles too. Think he has been one of this seasons most consistent players. Early season granted he did shirk a few tackles but has for the majority played well.

The wings/outside backs and 6 have been the issue and they are not good enough in areas of def and high balls. I'm not sure it can be coached into them either. As my post says above though Agar has been guilty of upsetting the team structure too much this year and not sticking to a structure and getting players to perform properly the role he wants. He should take flak for that but I also think he can turn it around next year if he packs in the messing about with players 2/3 moving out of their roles to fit one position.

You do seem to hold a hatred for Agar. He hasn't been bad for wakefield but i don't think he should get an extension until we see how we start next season. It'll be make or break for Agar next year after a good then indifferent if slightly underwhelming second season.

I wasnt a fan of Richie last season I was gutted when we signed him for another 2 years, this year he has been playing well par a few performances. He has been improving as Trojan has stated actually attempting to make tackles.

Yes. We create tries for the opposition like very few Wakefield sides I have ever watched

Attempt being the operative word. My heart is in my mouth every high ball that goes up. He struggles to catch an unchallenged kick. He often doesn't even get near a challenged one. The try that Fox fluffed the tackle v Bradford against Foster, the back play was the result of a Mathers no show at a bomb; I know there have been a few others, I've seen them. He has made one tackle 1 on 1 I can recall that made a difference vs Widnes. And he got lucky the player lost the ball in the act of scoring. It was a weak tackle that a strong full back would have executed better. He ambles across and back for kicks in defence in such a casual way you want to grab him and say for F sakes show some urgency! Another waste of space fo me and would be out the door with Fox in a breath. We have a number of players who just keep repeating the same errors, quite a few. I would get ruthless to be honest. They don't show much sign of changing their ways

I don't hate Agar. I'm sure he's a nice bloke. In fact he seems to be. I wish he was our man. I really do. I take no pleasure at all in citicising him or anyone else in the side. It takes guts to cos that line and be an RL player and I realise that. But at the end of the day, we all want Wakefield Trinity, one day, back where we who love them all feel they belong, ...at the top of the tree. That is not easy to get. In the mean time I want to see players and coaches who look like they know what they are doing and learn fom their errors. I see no hope of any progress with things as they are. It is Goundhog Day every match...come on eveybody, you MUST have seen it. Awful, over and over again, with a few flashes of entertaining Rugby to give you the frustrating hope we might be getting somewhere.

I think someone needs to go for lie down.

You're boring..

So we can say the same about Kear, one year top 8 next year hammering after hammering.

Charlie mate I have to disagree with you, Shirley Temple has tackled many a good bloke in her time unlike our stalwart fullback