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| End of the day what's happened at Newmarket?Belle Vue redevelopment what's happening ?
Like MC says on the Wakey Express site "people keep promising him what will happen but nothing ever does"
Hope he is saying it to get things moving along and get a stadium fit for purpose in Wakefield like we were promised.
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| Michael has put this news out. As he has indicated, he does not wish to do this, but feels he must as BV is becoming completely un-manageable and the RFL are right up on the clubs case now for the many areas which the ground falls down on.
This a real threat, and will be carried out unless something happens - and fast, and even then it may be too little too late.
The club are part and parcel of the Stadium Trust - any steps we take will be in agreement with them, but let this one play out for a short while and we will then take up the steps that we have explored over the past couple of years.
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"End of the day what's happened at Newmarket?Belle Vue redevelopment what's happening ?
Like MC says on the Wakey Express site "people keep promising him what will happen but nothing ever does"
Hope he is saying it to get things moving along and get a stadium fit for purpose in Wakefield like we were promised.'"
But really where is the threat to the other parties? The bank want rid of the land, Yorkcourt will be rubbing their hands together about the prospect and WMDC will be happy just to see us go away.
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| Quote ="TRB"Michael has put this news out. As he has indicated, he does not wish to do this, but feels he must as BV is becoming completely un-manageable and the RFL are right up on the clubs case now for[u the many areas which the ground falls down on[/u.
This a real threat, and will be carried out unless something happens - and fast, and even then it may be too little too late.
The club are part and parcel of the Stadium Trust - any steps we take will be in agreement with them, but let this one play out for a short while and we will then take up the steps that we have explored over the past couple of years.'"
Anyone care to expand on this? It seems to have come more to the fore since the Leeds game.
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| Quote ="Schunter"As long as it meets all safety requirements by what yardstick is it 'not fit for purpose' for the RFL? What doesn't it do that is required? And what's changed between the year and next? It's bollllockx. So it's a dump, and?'"
It would be interesting to see what exactly needs improving. Could the fans not help again? I know some of you have previously and should be applauded for your efforts.
From the outside looking in it does appear as though a conscious decision has been made not to spend any money, which seems odd given the clubs predicament with NM. Are the club letting it get run down to soften the blow of leaving?
Could the extra money from reaching a semi final be utilised in some capacity?
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| Quote ="PHe"Anyone care to expand on this? It seems to have come more to the fore since the Leeds game.'"
Just about everything in some way, shape or form. The RFL, like everyone else, just want to see progress.
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| How about Just one titbit from a meeting TRB. Lets presume you sit at one side of a table, YC sit opposite presumably. Six years of asking you ask once again"are you going to build the trust a stadium ?" (I presume that's the basic question).
They say what ? "yes, no, maybe, next week, we would but we can't find the cheque book, come back next week"????
Just one titbit, anything to relieve the frustration and without giving too much away.
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| As regards accessibility it is a case of swings and roundabouts. Nearer for me ,one bus not two. Further for my son two buses not one. Near for all the support Lupset,Alverthorpe, Ossett etc.Lets be realistic how many are actually near Belle Vue? Over the my lifetime I have lived at Hall Green , Altofts, and Stanley. Never moaned about car journey or couple of buses if I wanted a pint or two. Newmarket in my opinion is less easy to access than Dewsbury stadium and hardly any nearer to Wakefield city centre.
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| It's just a few yards over the Wakefield / Kirklees border and 1 mile from the M1, (very handy for Durkar, Crigg, Hall Green, Kettlethorpe etc.) and the aforementioned Ossett, Lupset, Alverthorpe and Horbury. Plus the Dewsbury supporters live over the opposite side of the ground so in many ways a natural border between the two groups.
I don't mean to support the idea (not yet anyhoo) but just adding to thbeagle's comments.
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| If I understand it correctly then, it's similar to when Saints played at Widnes for a year, with the only difference being that we don't know how long our move out of the city will be for, but in the interim the Trust is still fighting for something.
My only concern is that if we give up Belle Vue, we give up the cheaper option for Yorkcourt and we're left only with Newmarket, and I get the impression that Yorkcourt do not want that under any circumstances. Is there still the plot at Newmarket where the Stadium is supposed to be?
Or is that part of it? A bit more poker? Removing the cheapest option for Yorkcourt from the bargaining table?
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| The truth is that we are all thoroughly frustrated and hacked off with the whole process. We thought we'd found a 'no brainier' of a deal and even that has come to nothing - yet. With time not on the clubs side I cannot blame them one bit for going down this route.
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| One big disappointment for me in this whole saga of ground relocation has been the apparent ultra low profile of Sir Rodney. During the early stages of the Newmarket venture he was quite prominent with boasts of being instrumental in the provision of the "new" Wembley Stadium etc etc. Ever since those early days - total silence. Do you regard this exercise as a failure, Sir Rodney,and can't come to terms with such. What about all your business associates and aquaintences? Have you severed connections with Trinity?
I just can't come to terms with playing at Dewsbury. It would be for more than one season, and I can't help thinking it's like playing in someone's back yard. We're a SUPERLEAGUE club for God's sake.
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| You of course have the benefit of knowing what is going on we don't. What benefit would we gain from moving to Dewsbury compared to moving from Belle Vue.
We can all state what is wrong with the ground but to be honest we have spent very little on its upkeep over several years. To move to Dewsbury must involve additional costs so why spend it on their ground rather than investing in Belle Vue.
If we go to Dewsbury what do we leave land with no tenant, no plan for a replacement in the short or long term. I fail to understand why moving is on our best interest but then again we have not received any details regarding current or past negotiations for several years.
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| The one thing I do trust MC on is the facts and figures. He's a pound and pence guy, and if he says that it makes better business sense, I accept that. The issue is whether it is better in the long term. The unknown quantity is the impact on crowds, but the club will know the RFL position, and if it is clear that is progress or out, the answer seems obvious.
But the club has been shafted, it would seem. That is where the unfairness lies.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"You of course have the benefit of knowing what is going on we don't. What benefit would we gain from moving to Dewsbury compared to moving from Belle Vue.
We can all state what is wrong with the ground but to be honest we have spent very little on its upkeep over several years. To move to Dewsbury must involve additional costs so why spend it on their ground rather than investing in Belle Vue.
If we go to Dewsbury what do we leave land with no tenant, no plan for a replacement in the short or long term. I fail to understand why moving is on our best interest but then again we have not received any details regarding current or past negotiations for several years.'"
The problem is what would staying at belle Vue cost? The rfl could have the club jumping through hoops, you have to spend money doing this and this and this etc etc and STILL say sorry not good enough you can't stay here and play in super league...
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| The RFL are ready to criticise Belle Vue as not being fit for purpose. The question remains is, "Is the RFL fit for purpose?" Surely stringent ground condition criteria was ruled out as an obligation when the franchising system was ended. The club should fund any cosmetic improvements that the ground requires. That would be more economical than the income from the inevitable much smaller crowds at Dewsbury, surely.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"
But the club has been shafted, it would seem. That is where the unfairness lies.'"
Yeah the club have been shafted from a great height and the most frustrating thing from the outside is that we just seem to be lying down and taking it. I know that there had to be restraint during delicate discussions but they don't seem to be delicate any more! More non-existent !
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| Quote ="Wakefield No 1"The problem is what would staying at belle Vue cost? The rfl could have the club jumping through hoops, you have to spend money doing this and this and this etc etc and STILL say sorry not good enough you can't stay here and play in super league...'"
The problem also is what would leaving BV, and thus Wakefield, cost the club? Potentially an awful lot more.
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| Quote ="Redscat"The RFL are ready to criticise Belle Vue as not being fit for purpose. The question remains is, "Is the RFL fit for purpose?" Surely stringent ground condition criteria was ruled out as an obligation when the franchising system was ended. The club should fund any cosmetic improvements that the ground requires. That would be more economical than the income from the inevitable much smaller crowds at Dewsbury, surely.'"
It has always been not fit for purpose, its just we got dispensation due to the promise of a new ground or redevelopment in the horizon. We haven't delivered, albeit not our fault. We can't expect the RFL to let it ride forever just because it suits us. It's obvious to all now that Newmarket will never happen, seems that was the 'plan' all along. Sorry but we can't blame the RFL for our ill's here.
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| Perhaps we could refer to it as an iconic ground and get the RFL to buy it!
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"It has always been not fit for purpose, its just we got dispensation due to the promise of a new ground or redevelopment in the horizon. We haven't delivered, albeit not our fault. We can't expect the RFL to let it ride forever just because it suits us. It's obvious to all now that Newmarket will never happen, seems that was the 'plan' all along. Sorry but we can't blame the RFL for our ill's here.'"
I agree can't blame the RFL but hopefully it will all come out and we can start blaming the people who deserve to get it big style
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"I agree can't blame the RFL but hopefully it will all come out and we can start blaming the people who deserve to get it big style'"
Without a doubt there are certain other people who need chastising publicly for this. Sadly the horse has already probably bolted in terms of having any beneficial effect whatsoever.
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| I would love a shiny new stadium or a revamped BV but with lack of funding from these buisness men who promised lots but delivered nothing and made their money from shafting people all their careers, moving would be a massive saving for Trin if we don't get any financial help, Rodney Walker well he's done a Stirling job so far
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| Thought having Sir Rodney Walker on board would have been massive positive for us but what he done, you never hear anything from him.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"Without a doubt there are certain other people who need chastising publicly for this. Sadly the horse has already probably bolted in terms of having any beneficial effect whatsoever.'"
Surely this is what is needing to be clarified, if we've reached the point where theres nothing to lose then lets lay everything on the line and name and shame everybody that's involved in the whole stinking mess.
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