So, here we go again... yet another false dawn, another stadium that will not be built. Denby Dale Road, Thornes Park, now NewMarket. What confidence do we have that Belle Vue will be rebuilt / redeveloped / tarted up (delete as applicable).having said that, is this the reason Superbowl never re-opened after it was being re-furbished, assuming any development would need the land that it occupies, If, and its a bloody big if, Belle Vue is to be redeveloped the only vialble way i could see is knock it down move it 10 - 20 yards east and rebuild on all 4 sides. It could be great, but i fear the best we will get is some new benches 4 cans of paint and hope that Snowie can build a new stand in 12 weeks !

Western terrace steeper with a full roof - parking at the old power station ? Dunno , we'll just have to wait & see the plans I suppose

Indeed. I could hazard a few guesses but for legal reasons I won't

Can you imagine the bureaucracy involved in redeveloping belle vue? We'll be long gone, especially with baldy at the helm

and also buy back the Superbowl building and land, much bigger 'footprint'.
Buy back with Yorkcourt paying for all the land including BV. Car parking on the old power station site, to be used as a park and ride mid week with our 'training facilities next to (not on the car park, but you never know).??????
A few weeks ago MC in a post referred to something akin to ' What would you do with £5 m to redevelop BV and Snowie said he would undercut him! I thought at the time what a strange comment.

I would've liked to seen a new stadium included in the whole City Fields development and the eastern relief road. The power station site has been earmarked for warehousing.

Newmarket had been earmarked for a sports stadium

My first question is I hope you have not thrown the paint brushes away mate,And what sort of timescale can you give us for the redevelopment.

No doubt we will be hearing more in the coming days weeks but if redeveloping Belle Vue is the quickest way to get us an up to date stadium, the club can then plan for than now rather than waiting years wondering if NM will ever happen.

I've hung on hoping that some one else would ask the question as with a user name like mine i will probably get shot down. I have nothing but respect for TRB and the others and the amount of hours they have put in must have totalled thousands. It was said numerous times on here by more than TRB "that it was just a matter of getting all the ducks in line" what exactly did this mean ? How much were YCP paying towards the stadium and how much extra funding did sir Rodney have to find ? If yorkcourt were paying X amount of £s towards the new stadium will they still pay the same towards the re development of belle vue and would it still be a community stadium ? i seem to remember hearing at a meeting of fans with steve ferres when he wa at cas that a new main stand with changing rooms, bars, classrooms ect at wheldon road would cost £5million so if yorkcourt were putting in £9million that would leave plenty over for the rest of the re development.

I guess we will have to wait and get the full facts (if we ever do) but at who's instigation is this, Is it Yorkcourt trying to save / make more money, is it WTWRLFC deciding that NM is not going to be as "beneficial" to them as first thought. Have the council promised something regards funding / planning (although we/ve been there before!). We would like answers, we don't have a god given right to them, but for once, just once, some honesty would be appreciated,

Do we think this decision may have something to do with the removal of the football club. I like belle Vue and with the demise of the bowling alley that increases the development options further.
I am not sure of the legal implications to the property owners should we look to develop the west side of the ground. I know there was a stand in place before but would an attempt to build another allow the residents to object due to the loss of light etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if the council have advised to go down this route and then refuse planning permission for redevelopment

I know it's not that simple, but if there is going to be no stadium at newmarket then they should be made to halt all development immediately.

Whatever they do at belle vue will not provide the community with the facilities that were promised as part of the newmarket development.

Like others I don't want to hear about more pie in the sky stadium plans. For once let's just have the truth.

I'd use the same criteria as with NM ie the stadium is to be built when 40% of the original site is sold/leased or whatever the original statement was. If they complain about timescales and planning permission, then I think the phrase would be 'tough you'd better get a move on then or else we stay at NM with the backing of the SS (secretary of State).'
I am sure that there is a legal phrase for all that, if not they can use it.



NM or BV redeveloped then the latter, but I can appreciate the frustration and anger etc of those more involved in the process so far than I.

Snowie, are you getting a lorry load of welding rods?, cos you start next week (have Bank Holiday off mate

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For all you grammar experts, in that last sentence, can you put a comma and a ? together, it makes sense to me rather than the ? at the end or is it correct to split into 2 sentences, when it stops the flow? Please mark leniently.

If we build higher but shift the stand nearer to Doncaster Road then in theory the loss of light could be less. Not an expert, but draw it on graph paper with a protractor thing

I’m prepared to hang fire before castigating all and sundry, however.

Let’s be fair the club hasn’t got a pot to pee in, yet they, moreover, the supporters were seduced with the promise of a sy new ground – for free!

The Express states that the redevelopment of B.V was the clubs only hope, why’s that then, somebody must know?

So, the NM stadium was going to cost £19M, how much of that was the developer of NM putting into that fund?

We’ve all heard the stories of Rodney Walker securing funds from here & there, will this still be the case with the re-development of BV?

If the figure of £5M being bandied about is the sum total, well, that’s going to get bugger all, I think Leeds new stand cost in the region of £7M, a few years ago.

All this with the backdrop of the fear of relegation, I’m getting to the end of my tether.

That's exactly what I was alluding to in my post earlier about the stadium cost being £19 million.

I know that YCP weren't stumping anywhere near that amount up but I'd be hugely disappointed if they got away with just £5million, quite frankly I'd settle for no less than double that amount

Just thinking in the last 30 years of planned new stadiums we've had Pugneys,old power station,j39 durker, roundwood, thornes park( that would have been perfect) and Newmarket + numerous plans to redevelop Belle Vue surely one day one of our plans will actually come good

I know what you mean, they will have a hell of a lotta land down at NM to develop and rent out being freed-up, forever for a one off payment.
How quiet is MC on twitter? Unless he is airborne on the way home.

Another resigned sigh.

From a personal point of view, give me a redeveloped Belle Vue any day. From the club's point of view, it is less risk, provided they can resolve ownership and rent issues. I say less risk because we can get decent crowds when we play well in Belle Vue as it.

As a footprint, Belle Vue is pretty big. There is a lot of space behind the posts at both ends, although not enough for any parking, of course.

I don't buy into the car parking issue too much. There isn't any at Warrington, Leeds or Widnes, three modern grounds, and they seem to do alright. There is plenty at Salford and Leigh, two modern grounds with parking, and it is a complete pain to get away from both. The surrounding area is a drawback, but then again it has the plus of being the historic home.

The issue for the development might be that the locals against may argue they have been duped, in that the groundswell for the development was because of the ground, not because of the warehouses, and then lo and behold, no ground. I would feel cheated. Does that mean there is some significant obligation on the developers to come up with the goods on Belle Vue?

I don't see planning permission as a huge hurdle. An upgrade of an existing facility isn't likely to be too problematic. The capacity is unlikely to be changed significantly. The East Stand would be a like-for-like, I expect. The impact of the West Stand is the only potential issue, as so much of it is now open, and any new standard would be a lot higher.

How high was the original West stand - see other thread for comments etc, (not the numerous RA out threads, but you never know!). Does that create a precedent and also a 'slight' shift eastwards in order for access at the back.

The new stand at Leeds might have cost 7m, but that was a beast. What do we realistically need? The North Stand is probably okay as it is, and the hospitality flats could stay. So you are looking at a covered terrace on one side, similar to Warrington, and covered seating on the other, similar to Warrington.

Way too reasonable. I can't think anything other than it's all a loada balls and I'm sick to the back teeth of it all. How can we possibly rely on anything we hear?

And if that's what we end up with after being shown and promised a new stadium it'll represent a massive disappointment.