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| Quote ="vastman"I agree and as I said they are unlikely to be called but to dismiss them as not proper debt as the two posters did is wrong. They could be lethal in certain scenarios. IMHO they would be better off without them, certainly not such a high percentage as it does leave them very exposed especially in the current climate where many apparently wealthy individuals are going under. I mean that's pretty much how we lost control of BV.'"
I agree with you(amazing i know).
I understand Harlequins have circa £5m/£6m subordinated debt.Which just shows that the business model quite simply isnt viable,when someone is having to pump in millions each year just to keep them afloat.What happens when someone like David Hughes at Harlequins decides he doesnt want to put money in anymore!!
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| About time we gave Mohammed bin Hammam and Jack Warner jobs at the club.
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| Quote ="fat faced fan"they may have to defend it in an employment tribunal. we don’t know the facts just yet. let’s wait and see.
regardless of this, somebody will take him for next season even if hkr get rid or don’t renew at the end of the season.
we signed tevita leo-latu afterall.'"
It all depends on the outcome, but if he has breached club rules and that is deemed serious enough to be classed a gross miscounduct he would expect to be dealt with same as any other employee in any other profession, which could lead to dismissal, then Mr cockayne would have to go down the appeal process, that's if he has breached Club rules, usually all parties involved are suspended as routine to allow a fact-finding investigation to take place.
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| Quote ="vastman"I can't see why not, that's simply bizarre IMHO. If a director calls in his loan and it's not paid he will apply to have the company wound up the same way a bank or anyone else would. The only difference is he wouldn't be a preferred creditor like the HMRC and Banks are.
In fact as far as I'm aware and TRB may be able to confirm this, the RFL do not like Directors loans and prefer clubs not to have them,'"
I don't think it's a case that the RFL don't like directors loans, more that they prefer clubs to be able to finance their activities from their operational activities - i.e. to be self-funding and not sustainable. A business which is unable to service it's loans is not sustainable and there is a danger that any business which relies on 'loans' being used as a bail out, even without the immediate requirement to re-pay, may one day be re-payable and could therefore render a club insolvent in an instant.
It would be exactly the same with us if Parkin had bought the club. He would have 'loaned' the club money to pay our ways, initially at least, but we wouldn't care at the time because we would be succesful - probably.
So unless the loans are required for payback now, or that the lender himself is struggling, then it shouldn't be a problem - for now!
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Agreed. I wouldnt want him anywhere near a Trinity shirt!
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Don't worry, he is better than Championship level
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| Quote ="vastman"Are you talking us or HKR? Applies to both I suppose. Directors loans are messy, but when they make up allegedly 80% of the loans that really messy.
Imagine if one of those Directors went bust, his creditors I believe would be in a position to call that loan as an asset? In which case they could take temporary stand or the car park for all I know. It's a nightmare scenario if you are a HKR fan or any fan.'"
They would get done for theft in our case, we only lease the ground
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Indeed. But who will want him now? He's an idiot.'"
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| Quote ="wildcatowl"he's a thug, simple as'"
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| my mate shouted to him "do that again and i'll smack you myself" when he played against us. needlees to say i moved away from him for a while.
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| Another 3 rumours today 1 we're deffo getting a SL licence as RL impressed with app new owners ,NM & youth set up plus potential of Wakefield as a RL city. 2 quins voluntary going down relocating and changing name. 3 us and cas going down due to lack of stadium development but both been let back up when stadiums sorted. No doubt new rumours every day until franchise is announced. Ps has there been any sporting side ever been not awarded a franchise and relegated unvoluntary?
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"Another 3 rumours today 1 we're deffo getting a SL licence as RL impressed with app new owners ,NM & youth set up plus potential of Wakefield as a RL city. 2 quins voluntary going down relocating and changing name. 3 us and cas going down due to lack of stadium development but both been let back up when stadiums sorted. No doubt new rumours every day until franchise is announced. Ps has there been any sporting side ever been not awarded a franchise and relegated unvoluntary?'"
Don't know about that, but we were not bottom and relegated when SL formed.
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"Another 3 rumours today 1 we're deffo getting a SL licence as RL impressed with app new owners ,NM & youth set up plus potential of Wakefield as a RL city. 2 quins voluntary going down relocating and changing name. 3 us and cas going down due to lack of stadium development but both been let back up when stadiums sorted. No doubt new rumours every day until franchise is announced. Ps has there been any sporting side ever been not awarded a franchise and relegated unvoluntary?'"
I have heard number 2 myself and it makes sense so is therefore very unlikely to happen.
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| Quote ="wildcatowl"he's a thug, simple as'"
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| Quote ="theriddler"do you know him....?'"
Whether you know him or not, I'd say the evidence of his thuggery is out there for all to see, wouldn't you?
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| Hed beat a bloke up who was slapping his girlfriend around. Hes made silly remarks on a social website. He's been the passenger in a car that was involved in a police chase and a collision with a wall. He's also done lots of community (some involuntary admittedly at the request of her maj but lots volunteraly) work and raised plenty of money for various charites, donated items for auctions raffles etc. The bad stuff always gets publicised, yes he's not been the brightest spark but he is genuinely a decent bloke. I know some of you may find this hard to grasp but its wrong to cast aspursions on someone who you don't personally know. As for his playing abilities I'd welcome them at this moment in time, however I'd have it written in to any contract that any misdemeanours at all and you're gone.
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"Hed beat a bloke up who was slapping his girlfriend around. Hes made silly remarks on a social website. He's been the passenger in a car that was involved in a police chase and a collision with a wall. He's also done lots of community (some involuntary admittedly at the request of her maj but lots volunteraly) work and raised plenty of money for various charites, donated items for auctions raffles etc. The bad stuff always gets publicised, yes he's not been the brightest spark[u but he is genuinely a decent bloke[/u. I know some of you may find this hard to grasp but its wrong to cast aspursions on someone who you don't personally know. As for his playing abilities I'd welcome them at this moment in time, however I'd have it written in to any contract that any misdemeanours at all and you're gone.'"
He kicked as bloke laid on the floor in the head, sorry Upton be he's not a decent bloke.
I have spoken to him a few times but don't claim to know him well.
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| Well I know him well. For me any bloke who beats his woman deserves a beating anyway
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"He kicked as bloke laid on the floor in the head, sorry Upton be he's not a decent bloke.'"
I quite agree - the type of vicious and cowardly attack that could easily have killed the fella, or left him disabled.
And that's before the racism and drunk driving/police chase.
I don't care how much community work he's done in Normy, he certainly isn't a decent bloke.
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| Another one who knows him so well.
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"Another 3 rumours today 1 we're deffo getting a SL licence as RL impressed with app new owners ,NM & youth set up plus potential of Wakefield as a RL city. 2 quins voluntary going down relocating and changing name. 3 us and cas going down due to lack of stadium development but both been let back up when stadiums sorted. No doubt new rumours every day until franchise is announced. Ps has there been any sporting side ever been not awarded a franchise and relegated unvoluntary?'"
1 & 2 fly in the face of the rumour that one of our senior players has already signed a contract with Quins for next year!
Don't count on it.
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"Another 3 rumours today 1 we're deffo getting a SL licence as RL impressed with app new owners ,NM & youth set up plus potential of Wakefield as a RL city. 2 quins voluntary going down relocating and changing name. 3 us and cas going down due to lack of stadium development but both been let back up when stadiums sorted. No doubt new rumours every day until franchise is announced. Ps has there been any sporting side ever been not awarded a franchise and relegated unvoluntary?'"
I've heard a rumour you listen to too many rumours.
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| Quote ="TRB"1 & 2 fly in the face of the rumour that one of our senior players has already signed a contract with Quins for next year!
Don't count on it.'"
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