See explanation on other post.

Whether I "Vastman" am wrong on this particular detail and you "trinfan7" are right is irrelevant. If I'm wrong on the detail so be it I apologies, but the fact remains that we wouldn't be able to pay it no matter how it arrived.

The point of my post remains the same no matter how pedantic folk wish to be on one issue. Mr Glover has none of the debt burden that the old club had and as such will find small issues such as the floodlights easy to resolve?

The problem is that our club has issues that will cost millions to put right and has had for 40 years. It will certainly take more than a few bulbs to sort.

I'm sure Mr Glover means well but it's a bumpy road ahead and some serious staying power is required. I hope he is the man for the job I really do but it's far to early to say. Whilst comparing him with the fag end of the old regime is simply not comparing like for like.

Ted was once the darling of the terraces, "there's only one Ted" was a common chant.

It definately wasn't the image rights bill. We'll never actually have to pay that now due to administration and you may well find a few other clubs take a similar route should Leeds lose their case.

Either way we weren't very good at paying anybody what we owed so if AG can sort this problem above any other and make the club self-sustainable then he will have been a success. Its baby steps at the minute and theres an awful long way to go but its going in the right direction.

Correct!
Rome wasn't built in a day as has been posted elsewhere, but things are significantly improving off the field.
Mr Glover has still a lot of work to do, equally as importantly in the business community promoting our club and getting investment and sponsorship etc, and improving the name of WTW that has been dragged through the mud in the last few years.
A significant improvement appears to be the change of tack from our local newspaper, hopefully the improvement in relations may extend to Red Hall now El Presidente has moved on.

No vasty that is the point, its the small things that add up to the bigger picture, WTWC are providing a product and getting the small things right is critical. It is also about perception, you say the light bulbs is a small thing easy to resolve, then why did Ted not do it? Instead of letting people bitch about it for years. The perception was of a lack of care, where as Mr glover doing the small things gives off the vibe of someone who cares.

Its a bit like owning a house, sure most people struggle to pay the mortgage, perhaps your right mr glover might too! yet most people do not lose their pride in their house, they keep cutting the the grass, paint the gable ends every few years etc etc.

Life in the Metropolis is a tad challenging at the mo.
When BMD was made our coach, I have to admit I raised an eyebrow . When they appointed J Lowes as his assistant the other one shot up as well! Its a bit early after only 5 games to reach any meaningful conclusions, but I suspect we may have a double act here in Headingley to rival the Chuckle Bros.

Still, I comfort myself with two thoughts;

One. We aren't Bradford.
And two. I reckon our new and flamboyant Harlem Globetrotter style, will bamboozle your lot enough in a couple of weeks for a customary humping to be administrated.

hope your world beaters dont come unstuck against out cheep, SL inexperienced team of cast offs!!

Honestly I have to laugh when people like you come on the forums telling saps like me exactly how it is. Even though you were clearly never there and are just winging it, basing your opinions on what you think you know.

Here's a revelation for you, people like me and TRB were always fully aware of Teds failings. If he didn't have failings organisations like SWAG, Wisca and Squadbuilder probably wouldn't exist. I've seen TRB in particular have full on rows with Ted and win most of them. We know the things that were done wrong and what was done right and on balance Ted did his best under trying circumstances, he made mistakes who doesn't. And there is the difference between me an you, a real grasp of the situation and some balance. You on the other hand are in danger of injuring yourself if you fall off that high horse.

I'm happy Teds gone, he'd had his day but I feel no need to kick him as he leaves. We need new blood as all clubs do every now and then. I hope Andy Glover is it.

As for Fev and it's past leadership, people in glass houses and all that.

I absolutely agree with this post

The expression first impression comes to mind, setting standards is another, both are cornerstone to customer relations

I have to say the first thing I noticed on Friday from Barnsley Road was the replacement of the floodlight bulbs, a minor point but something that I have harped on about previously. Its great to see these small things being put right, that speaks volume of the bigger things to come.

The communication with supporters has increased massively, fans are being listened to but most important the club feels like its a club again regardless of the results at the moment, the togetherness is there not the cliques that seemed to be in place before and the deafening communication of the previous regime.

Things are rosy and this is only the beginning

Some folk never learn and always fall for the next big thing - 6 weeks in and a few lightbulbs and all is well again. If I'd have known it was that easy I'd have coughed up a £1 for the club and gone to B&Q. How can things be rosy with a franchise on it's way and a stadium in the balance and one win in five - rosy it isn't - Il accept it couldn't get much worse and efforts are being made but rosy...

Clique - otherwise known on here as people who don't agree with you. See other post "Poodle", derogatory name calling from someone who can no longer make his point using reasoned argument.

Seriously you may think I'm wrong but I can assure you my clique numbers only one member - me.

firstly derogatory name calling? poodle is on your user info, explain?n
no franchise = Ted, administration = Ted, a team capable of one win in five = Ted, when will you get it into your head, DISASTER = TED.
Things are improving and that is because he has gone and been replaced with someone with a brain and more willing to put money in than take it out.
I accept it is early days but 100% so far, something we haven't had for a while, so yes it is looking rosy, only a bitter and twisted individual such as your self would look for negatives.
Saying Mr glover means well? FFS that makes Teds efforts over the last few years look cataclysmically effortless!!!
Im sorry it hasn't turned out how you wanted it to, but hey move on.
Let the people be happy that things are improving, you just sit back in your ivory tower waiting for it all to go sour, so you can once again claim to know better than everyone else, who knows one day we will all be singing "theres only one Ted" with you, it will make a change from just the voices in your head, during a wet dream.
Ted is dead (figuratively) long live the king.

I don't think it's a matter of being 'bitter and twisted' but more a realistic look at things. People are too quick to criticise, that is true, but they are equally too quick to go over the top on praise.

'We' are quick to make legends out of the mediocre, and it's frustrating to those looking deeper than cheap beer and fixing floodlights (which we won't be using next season.)

If some are saying they'd only be happy if say the new chairman spent 50k to buy a scrum half on 150k a year that would show his full commitment. Then he'd probably be a bad owner as come July that money could turn out to be a waist and better spent subsidising costs in the Championship.

A good owner will be the one who boosts commercial sales and brings in top name sponsors making sure the club is run as best as possible not just splash the cost when the goings good... The problem in the first place?

Talk of being debt free... Didn't Mr Glover pay off some of that debt?

I don't think praising hard work and good ideas is going over the top, it should be the norm, just pointing out that after the abyss we have been staring into recently and the general lack if inertia from ted's "running" of the club, that they are clear for all to see, very welcome and a step in the right direction.
For some that appears to be a bitter pill, and i find that to be poor form.

No, it's plain that some look at things from all the angle and apply reason. You simply look at things in whatever way suits your beat up a scapegoat mentality.

You are entitled to comment on Ted as he is the past, but to claim to know the future is much brighter backed up with very little evidence is plain daft.

So far AG has made all the right noises I don't dispute that. However that's all they are for now, none and I mean none of the core issues have yet been addressed, but then using rationale why would they be the timescale has been too short. So all we have for now is window dressing and I'm not knocking that but the truth is anyone with some spare cash and a debt free club could manage that.

I don't know how long you have supported the club but the Pearman fiasco should be warning enough not to get carried away. That is all I'm warning about, it's not taking the moral high ground or whatever glib label you want to throw at it, it's not my fault you can't accept an alternative train of thought - that's your problem.

For gods sake Andrew Glover been here a month. What he's managed to do in such a short time above all else is bring the feel-good factor back, which for a team running last is no mean feat. By starting to sort the little things like putting bulbs in the floodlights, a lick of paint here and there, a more helpful & competent attitude in the shop etc, he has showed he is having a go of righting the wrongs of the previous regime. Yes they may only be little, inexpensive things but ones that make a big impression. They are things that could and should have already been done, financial issues or not. Ted may have done good in the past but by the time he left he had long since outstayed his welcome and his actions had become questionable. There is no doubt the damage he had done through the decisions he had made damn-near killed the club. AG has a mighty job to turn it round and it won't happen overnight but as starts go he couldn't have done much more. But yes it is also fair to say that the real job starts now and he will ultimately be judged in three years time when the next round of licensing takes place. Lets sit back and enjoy the ride.

Waistcoats.

Let's not forget the waistcoats! Do they have matching bow ties?

You were slightly amusing the first time Billy.

Now, just a tad boring. Over egged the pudding so's to speak.

Why don't you read what's posted instead of jumping to an OTT conclusion. No one as far as I can see is suggesting anything other than what you put.

However as another poster put it, give it six month, bottom of the league and no new signings it will be CARNAGE on here. Sadly those inflicting it will be the same people on here singing his praises right now - mark my words.

By being realistic and lowering some of the more OTT expectation should spare AG the worst of it. Unless AG can pull a rabbit out of the hat soon we will be NRL1 bound and then the problems really will start. I'll give him all the time in the world but plenty of others won't. Just like I have with Ted I'll stand by him and I won't blame him for everything if he fails but again plenty will. Sorry but that's how I see it.

100% right, the amount of posters who said this are countless, but under ted, all you ever heard was batman and robin speaking on his behalf in defence, claiming us underlings know nothing.
these are tiny things that are now being done right, if you dont have squillions in the bank, do the small cheep things right.
point proved, next!!!

1. Why are we in such a corner than only an act of magic can save us from being refused a franchise?
2. I hope you will, as i hope everyone will, the CARNAGE that we are currently picking our way through, will take time to clear up, hopefully we will all see enough along the way to see that there is something worth it at the end of the tunnel.

If people on here aren't suggesting anything other than what I have put why is it an OTT conclusion?

AG has done a good job in the last month. Why shouldn't he get praise? If he makes a cock-up of things he will get criticised and rightly so. Such is life. But as it stands people need to get behind him and support his ideas not just sit waiting for him to fail so they can say nothings changed, i told you so. Lets be honest it has to be made to work this time because one more failure will probably be our last. And in six months time we will know whether we are getting a licence or not and probably have a decision on Newmarket, both factors that are out of AG's control to a large extent. So anybody that critises him should the decisions not go in our favour doesn't have a leg to stand on. He has said that the club is sustainable in the lower divsion, you've got to trust his judgment. Without him we wouldn't be here now, he deserves our total support, not just now but long term.

I suspect Wildthingy, you're not big on the sartorial aspect of the improvements that Mr Glover is attempting, eh?

im about to get my magic wand out , if you think Copperfield is good just watch in amazement whilst i make a rhino disappear befor your very eyes .

or maybe billy no mates will do one voluntary and spare the embarrassment .



keep on topic ducks

It was on topic.....the improvements being brought about by Mr Glover?

Middle digit ducks, and good luck in the coop championship!