Fully agree here. Even though he's well past his pomp, he'd still make a great captain and leader for any Super League club, including us.

To be fair, every time I’ve seen Navarette against St. Helens he hasn’t been dominated like Clubb and Flower have so could be a shrewd signing.

Was it a good team with good standards that caused severe, long term injuries to three of our best players in just ONE game last season, PT? When they employed dubious tackling methods instilled into them by their former grub of a coach?

Wigan are very much living off past glories. That said Hastings could be a game changer if and it’s a huge if, he fits in.

Past glories? They won Super League the year before last

They've actually won it three times in the last 7 years. That's not my point. Wigan is a top team but not the team or the club they once were IMO. For example, they won the title in 2016, the same season we beat them 62-0, that was not the Wigan of the glory days.

Try looking in the history books and you'll spot the past glories to which I refer.

No team can dominate the way Wigan did in the 80s/90s because of the salary cap, the cap has brought the quality down that much that pretty much every club has a genuine shot at reaching the top 5, it’s made it more competitive but certainly not better quality

No it didn't it took all the best players to one club proving back then there was just a hand full of quality players since then you had to resort to cheating back in 2006 to keep in super league as you was destined to go down bit like Leeds did the last few seasons

Not quite sure what your point is exactly but if you’re trying to say the quality hasn’t got down then you’re a fool, just because your precious Wakefield have a shot at the top 5 doesn’t mean they’ve become world beaters all of a sudden, every team last season apart from saints were crap, yet the same teams win the league every year which shows the current cap isn’t working, it should be lifted to 3m and if you’ve got the money to spend you’ll probably win

didn't you have thread going on your site stating you went £1.2 million into red carrying doing that and you'll be the next bradford, and just because you didn't win anything last year doesn't mean the league was crap

I’m not saying the league was crap because we didn’t win anything, the league has been poor for 5 years now and she won plenty in that time, as for our finances, you worry about your own, Wakefield will go bust long before Wigan

Give over every team has caught you up and now your bleating, the cap has levelled the league so it has worked, not all want to play for the mighty wigan, I do agree the cap should increase but in reflection to inflation so it keeps control

spot on

The cap has levelled the league out full of poor quality and robotic teams, but when Sky offer an awful deal because of how poor the game is atm no doubt you’ll be the first to moan, id rather have 3-4 strong teams and the rest be average than 12 crap teams which is the way it’s heading

get yourself off to the game and stop your bleating

I don't get how that works? How does a salary cap make all those great players in the 3-4 strong teams suddenly crap when they play at other teams. It shouldn't reduce the quality of the league, only spread it out. Of course some players have left for Oz, but they were doing that anyway and the most successful ones come from Bradford/Dewsbury and Hull with a St thrown in. Hardly hurting Wigan.

Wasn't the cap brought in because Wigan went bust?

At present there well over one million in the red . I though the cap was bought in to stop all the so called best players going to Wigan . Now they say clubs can have player in that do not count on the cap so is there a cap ?

There won't be if Toronto get their own way

It's an interesting take to suggest that SoL is overrated; he's been consistently one of the best players in SL for a number of years - and still has the ability to influence a game - in both positive and negative ways. I do agree though that he is well past his best - and has resorted to a bit of skulduggery and gamesmanship to compensate - as is often the way with big men who've lost their physical edge. Think Adrian Morley, Jamie Peacock, Nick Fozzard - all of whom resorted to the clothes line method of tackling a man who had beaten them for footwork.

Top player though - he'll retire with the respect of most people who understand the game; and he'll probably be in extreme pain for the rest of his life.

He's definitely the grand master of skulduggery and gamesmanship...and not just over the last couple of seasons...for example the only time he bends his back in the tackle is when he targets the knees. For me it's just a shame he hasn't channelled his efforts more positively rather than employing every trick he can to influence/manipulate the game, opposition players, referees etc etc

So was Navarrete any good today seen as you lot go so defensive about me saying he was crap? Genuinely hope he played well but doubt it

Wow. You are desperate to be proved right but he's was fine I'm afraid.
He's the least of our worries.

How did Burgess go by the way?

Ignore him. He thinks Harvard had a great game last night even though he was utterly dominated by the wolfs and looked amateur level at best

Havard who played his 2nd game for the first team and has just turned 19? For his experience he did very well and wasn’t bullied by anyone. It was the worst debut I’ve ever seen by Burgess however and unless he loses some of that weight he’s carrying around his gut he’ll be in for a long season