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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Although I like your sentiment (about staying loyal to the current playing & coaching staff), they dont seem capable of getting us a win, never mind keeping us in SL.
Only those at the top know what is in the "pot" and available to spend but, the absolute certainty is, that, if nothing changes, we will be in The Championship and right now, that could well mean, staying there for a very long time.
With IMG certain to make some changes and with clubs like Trinity and Cas already looking vulnerable, it could be part time rugby for us and and we could become the next Halifax (no disrespect to them).'"
So if what you say about IMG is true, then it doesn't matter whether we get a win this year or not. IMG will send us down.
Personally I think the work off field is putting is in a good position. Not for A yet of course. But a decent B. And if that's the case, we have a route back, and Mash's kids will be a big part of that.
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Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Just read the WP 'interview' by Mr Clickbait. This quote made me chuckle.
“Their reasoning to me was they wanted to achieve top six. I don’t know how they would do that spending the least money in the competition.”
https://www.totalrl.com/willie-poching- ... hing-role/'"
If they wanted Top 6 with the current squad and coaching set up then delusional is an understatement.
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Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Just read the WP 'interview' by Mr Clickbait. This quote made me chuckle.
“Their reasoning to me was they wanted to achieve top six. I don’t know how they would do that spending the least money in the competition.”
https://www.totalrl.com/willie-poching- ... hing-role/'"
If they wanted Top 6 with the current squad and coaching set up then delusional is an understatement.
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| I wonder if we are bringing in players on two week loans in preparation for when we sign a dual registration agreement with a SL club.
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| I know it’s a finance thing, but….A fair few years since Wigan were in our position, they reasoned that they needed a mean prop and a new coach. They then signed Stuart Fielden and Brian Noble, they avoided relegation that season, it can be done. To speculate to accumulate is never more apt for us
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| Quote ="JINJER"I know it’s Aa finance thing, but….A fair few years since Wigan were in our position, they reasoned that they needed a mean prop and a new coach. They then signed Stuart Fielden and Brian Noble, they avoided relegation that season, it can be done. To speculate to accumulate is never more apt for us'"
And the refs help as well ,We played them away and we got stich up by the ref so much it was embarrassing, even the Wakefield players were laughing at him .Solamona (sorry if spelling wrong but I say it as it is ) got sent of for 10 minutes and nobody new what he had done
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| Quote ="JINJER"I know it’s a finance thing, but….A fair few years since Wigan were in our position, they reasoned that they needed a mean prop and a new coach. They then signed Stuart Fielden and Brian Noble, they avoided relegation that season, it can be done. To speculate to accumulate is never more apt for us'"
But
1 they had the money
2 didn't they later lose points for salary cap breach?
You can't speculate if you don't have any money.
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| Quote ="suportrclub"Re: Chester out part 65 : Sat May 15, 2021 6:02 pm
One thing is for sure whoever is in charge next year they have to be recruiting now or if left will be asked to have players they haven't been party to recruiting.
so either back C.C
or make a decision.
Or be left with players no other club want.
POSTED 15-05-2021
In response to the current position the club find itself in just wished to post these observations.
Firstly, to make it clear that the board under Michael Carter or indeed John Minard has my full support that doesn’t mean that people who support the club unconditionally cannot have the right to express their opinion and views on firstly how the club was run historically or indeed their views on the future.
To that end if we revue how we find ourselves with the current squad and its obvious deficiencies this has to come down to recruitment last year or the lack of it.
This was due to the financial position of the club as we have been told.
Uncertainty of staying in the topflight which can and did result in paralysis.
But judgment on players in the past with just as much if not worse that the current financial position of the club proved that this can be achieved.
its easy to make retrospective judgments and can be seen to be unfair but if we don’t learn from past mistakes that is a great error.
As the heading says “Where are we now” which would seem to be we are relying on the stadium to be the hope of future success both in the IMG proposal and with it generating more income ( this can never be guaranteed)
The second hope is the white knight version which has been a failure for 50 years .
So, the question is and more importantly “what we do now”
Choices are we do nothing this season rely on the current squad and hope we don’t get relegated this justifies past decisions and if it works then relative success for now in the hope of not finishing bottom
Second option brave decisions are made “with no guarantee of success” but excepting past mistakes in not getting together the squad that won’t get relegated. This would mean decisions on both the playing side and possible coaching side and with a likely increase in cost more than just doing nothing of circa 500k and decision making by personnel to be reviewed.
This has to be taken in the light of what relegation loss of income would have on the club as against expenditure now.
Crisis problems and downward spirals can some time bring the very best out of people once hope is provided'.So where are we now'
As one who lives in hope who knows perhaps hope is nearer than most people think!'"
A lot of players have come and gone in just under 2 years! When CC left, we won those games under Poching at the back end of that season, then he was appointed properly, and most of those players left, deemed not good enough. This squad on paper isn't the worst we've had since '99, no way. Webster and Kear had worse squads. If Applegarth isn't sacked at any point this season, then the 'criteria' for the coach has been altered by the club. Clearly if Poching went, based on results/performances, then Applegarth should have, or will be sacked soon. But I seriously doubt it, I think the club 'expect' us to drop down and are quite comfortable with this, as they will have worked out how we will 'survive' down there, although obviously they would never admit that publicly. I think they see us staying up as a massive bonus, and will obviously work things out again financially to limp along if the miracle occurs.....but as others' have said, it's not straightforward with IMG floating about.....
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"I think they meant top 6 in the Championship.'"
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| Quote ="PopTart"But
1 they had the money
2 didn't they later lose points for salary cap breach?
You can't speculate if you don't have any money.'"
When they got Fielding they were over 400,000 pounds over the salary cap All the S L teams had agreed that season that any team who went over the cap at back end of season would lose 14 points .But Wigan chairman said because it had not been signed it was not lawfully so Wigan got a 2 point fine So they finished in front of Wakefield and Cas .And the big clubs are still making rules today for what suits there needs
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| Whole thing is just smoke and mirrors - club was 100 percent aware of the fact we wouldn’t get a a grade , series of appalling decisions - non contracted payment to chris Chester , 3 year deals for ashurst and lineham followed by Michael carters decision to pull out (end of day can only applaud him for what he’s achieved in last ten years) meant the writing was on the wall. We then literally cobbled together the cheapest overseas players imaginable , the lowest cost coaching partnership - all very obvious and clearly designed to minimise outgoings (possibly clearing outstanding loans before relegation and administration ) .
Then signing the absolute lowest cost available players on the shortest term deals - mason hewit et al.
Clubs relegated and sadly the only people to blame are the ownership group
Seen it a hundred times in insolvencies and in out receiverships - even offered my services for free - wonder why the club didn’t take that up ? I have a pretty good idea
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| Quote ="PopTart"But
1 they had the money
2 didn't they later lose points for salary cap breach?
You can't speculate if you don't have any money.'"
yehh but didnt they get a points penalty the year after they were safe by salary cp breach over fielden?
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| The board wanted someone who could get top 6 and appointed a glorified PE teacher.
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| I never thought we’d be in the position we are in, but equally we were never pushing for a top 6 place with this squad either. We’d genuinely be struggling to make top 3 in the championship how we’ve been playing, and that’s been kind possibly
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| There’s a reason why all the named players in that article have ended up in that league.
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| Majority of the players named are Aussie/kiwi. How’s that gonna work
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| Quote ="alegend"The clone of Chester'"
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| Back on topic - We are 12th out of 12 with little sign of that changing
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Back on topic - We are 12th out of 12 with little sign of that changing'"
Thank the Lord you are here to remind us.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Thank the Lord you are here to remind us.'"
I thought it had not been answered in any of the posts despite the title.
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