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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"Understand that Denese Jeffries is appointing Oliver Rowley on new Trust to act as deputy. Nobody hates Trinity more than Rowley, so far we have a Cas Councillor in Jeffries ( Box`s lap dog ) and Rowley who hates us. Going well so far.'"
Rowley? Unfortunately, one of the few councillors on the MDC in possession of a pair of balls.
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| Has Eric informed IA why he was resigning and that's why he accepted it?
The 'misunderstandings' that were sorted out, to avert court proceedings don't seem to have lasted long.
All Box and Co are bothered about, is undoing all the great work that MC and CB have done, in bringing the club back from the brink and turning the club into a competitive force, which has more weight in getting a ground built and they know it.
If we were stumbling from one crisis to another, then it's easy for Box to turn us down and this is what he is trying to achieve.
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| Quote ="thebeagle"Agree with Slugger and Khlav that we are now at the stage of salvaging what we can out of this wreck.'"
If you believe that Walker and co will salvage anything then you've missed the last two years. They will get you nothing and all three of you will be hugely dissapointed AGAIN.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"Slugger, I realise you don't reside in the fiefdom of Box but those of us that do know its a surreal place. For instance in this very same fiefdom an almost identical scenario is taking place to the one that we are all discussing.
Whilst our down trodden club is being asked to jump through hoops, the supporters are up in arms and protests and groups like SWAG are the norm. Trusts need to be set up and then replaced by phoney trusts. There is another part of the fiefdom where all is well. The supporters are happy, there are no trusts, developers can be trusted and do what they are told. There is no talk of rent and running costs. However an [uidentical sporting club[/u doesn't have nightmares but sleeps soundly in the knowledge they are getting a brand spanking new fit for purpose stadium for £1.
This clearly demonstrates that Mr Box has total control of his fiefdom and the power to make anything happen. So I am saying there are numerous options open, it just so happens that in our case MR BOX chooses the biggest pile of crap option that is possible.'"
nowhere near identical
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| Quote ="fbstackafelt"nowhere near identical'"
Seriously! In what ludicrous way will you explain why not?
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| Quote ="vastman"Seriously! In what ludicrous way will you explain why not?'"
Vasty must admit this poster has stumped me by saying that.
The only thing I can think of is that one club has Box as a shareholder and the other doesn't.
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| Plan A will NEVER happen they will offer terms MC would never accept and blame it all on us for being inflexible,and "we've tried"Time to move on on with plan B and fight the fight from outside the city. Should that be ultimately unsuccessful so be it . Because once we leave there'll be no coming back to Wakefield, Box will see to that. I'd sooner we folded than let Walker,Richardson and co run this club.
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| Quote ="vastman"If you believe that Walker and co will salvage anything then you've missed the last two years. They will get you nothing and all three of you will be hugely dissapointed AGAIN.'"
So we've nothing to lose. Play the game, see what comes of it.
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| I'd sooner the club accept whatever terms get offered to build a stadium, argue about the details once it's built. We're in a weaker position to negotiate now, but if someone actually builds a stadium, our hand is strengthened. If the terms once it's complete are unworkable, walk away from the stadium. The council and developers may be cynical wjen they have the upper hand, but they're not going to pull down a £15m brand new stadium without lots of questions being asked of them
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| Quote ="poplar cats alive"[uPlan A will NEVER happen they will offer terms MC would never accept and blame it all on us for being inflexible,[/uand "we've tried"Time to move on on with plan B and fight the fight from outside the city. Should that be ultimately unsuccessful so be it . Because once we leave there'll be no coming back to Wakefield, Box will see to that. I'd sooner we folded than let Walker,Richardson and co run this club.'"
It's a two-way street, if that happens MC then can tell the public why the terms are not acceptable and that WMDC is trying it on.
I also can't see any scenario where Walker or Richardson would try or want to run the club. Walker might be in this situation for some cash and I can't see Ted wanting back in or for that matter the fans letting him. It's not exactly easy and there's no money to be made owning Trinity.
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| Quote ="poplar cats alive"Plan A will NEVER happen they will offer terms MC would never accept and blame it all on us for being inflexible,and "we've tried"Time to move on on with plan B and fight the fight from outside the city. Should that be ultimately unsuccessful so be it . Because once we leave there'll be no coming back to Wakefield, Box will see to that. I'd sooner we folded than let Walker,Richardson and co run this club.'"
Kind of comes back to my basic point that a stadium was never going to happen then under the current structure, so at least see what the new one offers. We are no worse off, and MC and CB might go back to their Plan B.
If the removal of the threat of legal action was the Trinity side of the new joint effort, perhaps it might raise it's head again. If, however, it turns out that there actually wasn't a legal case after all, we are goosed.
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| Salvage what we can get it sorted in the next year or it could be the end of the club.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Rowley? Unfortunately, one of the few councillors on the MDC in possession of a pair of balls.'"
Looking at Denise she must have a bigger pair.
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"Khlav, final nail just been hammered in, my contact who has seen the plans ( well he would do as he works for the firm who drew them up ) has just advised me that Rodney Walkers very very close friend and ally Denise - you do know that Rodney and I went to school together- Jeffries will be the Chair of the new trust.
You just could not make it up. So Box`s lap dog and Walkers bit of fluff is going to head up the new trust.
As I say lets get the hell out of this dodgy Borough'"
What do these new plans look like? Is it 4 basic stands still 10k capacity?
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"Understand that Denese Jeffries is appointing Oliver Rowley on new Trust to act as deputy. Nobody hates Trinity more than Rowley, so far we have a Cas Councillor in Jeffries ( Box`s lap dog ) and Rowley who hates us. Going well so far.'"
Was it Rowley who went ballistic recently in the press about Trinity, and it had the smack of someone else's words but said through him?
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"Khlav, final nail just been hammered in, my contact who has seen the plans ( well he would do as he works for the firm who drew them up ) has just advised me that Rodney Walkers very very close friend and ally Denise - you do know that Rodney and I went to school together- Jeffries will be the Chair of the new trust.
You just could not make it up. So Box`s lap dog and Walkers bit of fluff is going to head up the new trust.
As I say lets get the hell out of this dodgy Borough'"
So that stuff before about the ground was based on something someone else has seen but not you, and your inside knowledge is based upon playing marbles with Rodney more than sixty years ago?
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I've heard of better inside info.
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| Can anyone explain to me why Rodney Walker would want to wreck the club, and be involved purely for financial gain?
Surely he doesn’t need the money.
The only thing I can think of is that he just likes being ‘top dog’.
Not favouring him any way , just puzzled.
Also why does Box seemingly hate us so much?
I am no Cas lover but would like to see both clubs prospering in new stadiums.
Why can the powers that be just not see the benefits that two hugely successful RL clubs would bring to Wakefield area.
Baffling.
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| Quote ="thebeagle"Can anyone explain to me why Rodney Walker would want to wreck the club, and be involved purely for financial gain?
Surely he doesn’t need the money.
The only thing I can think of is that he just likes being ‘top dog’.
Not favouring him any way , just puzzled.
Also why does Box seemingly hate us so much?
I am no Cas lover but would like to see both clubs prospering in new stadiums.
[uWhy can the powers that be just not see the benefits that two hugely successful RL clubs would bring to Wakefield area.
Baffling[/u.'"
Although i don't know the guy and haven't had meetings like a few have on this forum but that's what I've always found baffling. He might support Cas, good for him, but as the head of WMDC, the bloke should be making the most of having 2 teams playing in Europe's top RL comp and also another in the Division below. It's like they've always used that as an excuse for things instead of embracing it and using as a vehicle to showcase the City. it's not as if we both don't do well out of the rivalry at the gate also.
I also don't really understand the Walker thing, as he's been involved with the Club heavily over the years, I'm not sure if I'm correct but I'm sure I have a memory of him lending the Club some cash a number of years ago, when we had HMRC after us, about the time we went tits up with Ted, around then anyway. It just all seems strange that this guy who has supported us in the past would stoop apparently from the rumours so low. That being said the Newcold episode doesn't do the guy any favours and may give us some clues but still to see us potentially get kicked out of SL without a home is bizarre.
Also on the subject of this new Trust (that the Club can't find registered anywhere), how can the Council dictate who is on a Community Trust, surely it needs some representation from the Club, either in the form of supporters or owners. It also really needs asking at one of these Council meetings whenever the next one is, why the present Trust that was deemed worthy at one time, is now not. Even though they haven't done anything wrong at all & the lack of progress has been down to a developer plus also zero pressure from WMDC why Newmarket hasn't come to fruition in all areas over 5 years now. From the Community stadia and facilities side to the 2000 jobs that were promised to the public if they got the land. That's not even bringing in the Newcold fiasco.
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| It's all about greed the developer getting maximum return for the site. Never ever had any intention of building a stadium and Box is allowing it to happen. Ted Richardson never left the trust Timmins kept him upto date with everything that was discussed, and he'll still be there now with the new trust. He should never be allowed within a million miles of Wakefield Trinity. Should MC&CB walk away as Box is hoping Walker will front the club and that weasely little man will pull the strings.
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| Quote ="vastman"Seriously! In what ludicrous way will you explain why not?'"
simple cas own their ground
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| What I don't get is why draw up new plans if the stadium isn't going to happen? Why draw up new plans when the ones in September although they looked impressive it was still a basic design?
As I see it as it stands at the moment we have a good genuine honest owner who wants what we were promised but also doesn't want to see the end of our great club if we get nothing. We all know that greed corruption or incompetence has been the reason we are not playing in the brand new community stadium we were promised.
We will have a great season on the pitch with in my opinion the best side we've had in 30+ years. The developers/council will work with this new manufactured trust and community stadium will happen at Belle Vue in whatever form. MC will reluctantly agree with the view of its the only way it will allow our club to continue then may walk away with his head held high at the end of the season. That leaves still with a SL Wakefield Trinity in a fit for purpose stadium but with new owners. Hope I'm wrong but that's how I see it.
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| Quote ="fbstackafelt"simple cas own their ground'"
No they don't the banks do.
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| Quote ="vastman"No they don't the banks do.'"
I always thought the club owned the ground and was going to ask you which bank it was, but apparently there are more than one.
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| Quote ="Maffy"I always thought the club owned the ground and was going to ask you which bank it was, but apparently there are more than one.'"
So you seriously think that Wheldon Road isn't mortgaged up to the hilt to more than one creditor. You can believe that if you wish or you could grow up a bit.
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| Quote ="vastman"So you seriously think that Wheldon Road isn't mortgaged up to the hilt to more than one creditor. You can believe that if you wish or you could grow up a bit.'"
I am grown up pet, I didn't know we were that much in debt as you claim, with your vast wealth of knowledge relating to our club's finances perhaps you'd like to enlighten us as to who these creditors' are after the Fulton family.
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