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| Anyone know what’s going on at the ground today ?
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| Quote ="Kirmudgeonlyisback"Anyone know what’s going on at the ground today ?'"
Bathy is marking out the pitch for Thursday's game?
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| Quote ="BarnsleyGull"What's wrong with a Fiat Uno?
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Showing your age there pal
And that you have good taste in 80s and 90s hot hatches lol
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| Quote ="Kirmudgeonlyisback"Anyone know what’s going on at the ground today ?'"
Why, what have you seen/heard, don’t keep it to yourself, we all enjoy a good rumour on here.
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| Just heard there was is a meeting no idea hence the post
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| Quote ="Kirmudgeonlyisback"Anyone know what’s going on at the ground today ?'"
Why, what have you seen/heard, don’t keep it to yourself, we all enjoy a good rumour on here.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"Come on Vasty we havnt even started and yet already lost about 50 % of the terrace to be up graded. Plus about 1000 final capacity.Also lost the retail outles etc on north stand which will reduce match day income. Plus it will look daft having a stand covereing spare ground with no supporters. If they can pull off strokes like this ,they will get away with more and that is what worries me.'"
I'll 'come on PB' back at you.
Who on earth are 'they' and what exactly are 'they' gaining?
Do you think people are doing this on purpose or for some sort of gain, I'm confused?
It's hardly what I wanted to see myself and having looked at it now, it's worse than I thought, but with inflation and material costs through the roof so to speak I think it's blatantly obvious to me why this is happening. As dboy rightly states, the money is safe but it doesn't do is stretch. Since these plans were costed inflation has been at 10% probably more in truth, with material costs such as steal the main contributors.
The staggering truth is that Trinity have yet again been stunningly unlucky with their timing. With Covid delaying the project thus allowing it to start as the world economy collapsed. I'm a bit surprised to be telling you tbh as I'm certain you already know all this.
As over spends go we are still doing well, had this been a government initiative you'd be getting a portaloo at this point.
I know Mr Carter and the club in general have managed to alienate themselves from a lot of fans in recent years and in some respects I understand why but facts are facts and they are not to blame anymore than the Council or the contractors.
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| Quote ="Kirmudgeonlyisback"Just heard there was is a meeting no idea hence the post'"
Think you need to be a bit more specific, I mean meetings go on all the time.
Are you suggesting it's a full meeting, staff, players and management?
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| If this was the cost for sorting the west stand at the same time I would be ok with that
As people have said something with that void can be done at a later date
Does look very strange though
Ultimately the main thing is the east stand is going to be amazing
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| It's not going to look great and any impact on capacity and improved facilities stunts some of the growth the club was hoping to achieve from this. Sadly though there's not much the club can do about it, it's all down to the building costs which are going through the roof. Sadly inflation is expected to still rise a sigificant amount further along with energy costs and fuel prices are expected to remin high for a good while. Talking to people within the building industry they are expecting costs to continue to rise so my major worry would be this isn't the last revision we'll see to the project. The money will only stretch so far and once it's gone, it's gone. After all his hard work it's John Miniards i feel for in this, just when it looked like a slam dunk these things keep popping up. He must be pulling his hair out.
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| Quote ="musson"If this was the cost for sorting the west stand at the same time I would be ok with that
As people have said something with that void can be done at a later date
Does look very strange though
[uUltimately the main thing is the west stand is going to be amazing[/u'"
Is that a typo?
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| Quote ="vastman"Think you need to be a bit more specific, I mean meetings go on all the time.
Are you suggesting it's a full meeting, staff, players and management?'"
Just gone past saw they were on zoom with Andrew and Dave
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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"Just gone past saw they were on zoom with Andrew and Dave
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Were they eating donuts in the car park?
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| Quote ="phe13"Were they eating donuts in the car park?
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No, they were [idoing[/i donuts in the car park in my Fiat Uno Turbo!
(See previous page on this thread for that joke)
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"[url=https://ibb.co/Bwd4HXC[/url
The void looks ridiculous and disappointing however construction costs (materials, fuel and labour) are very volatile at the moment. This will have nothing to do with the watertight agreement but being able to contruct something that was valued a number of years back with today's prices plus inflation of >10%. This a real life problem all developers are having to battle and sadly the QS often wins as is the case here. I hate the term value engineering as whilst sometimes there is is a genuine saving more often then not its results in a worse product.
The saving grace is once installed its not set in stone, but finding the money to do a proper job will be difficult.
As others have said this would be perfect for the Western errace'"
In my opinion they need to sheet that off behind the last terrace step, a false back to the stand. It will look completely stupid otherwise
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| Quote ="The Avenger"In my opinion they need to sheet that off behind the last terrace step, a false back to the stand. It will look completely stupid otherwise'"
Here is a little thought which may be a concern. Initially, the revamped North Stand was to have a capacity of 3500, with a stadium capacity of around 7,500.
The North Stand will now have a much reduced capacity, therefore the stadium capacity will be nowhere near 7500. I’m not sure what the minimum capacity is for a Super League Stadium, but we may be pretty close to it.
New East Stand 2500, North Stand probably around 1500, West Terrace 1000?. Perhaps the club will retain the temporary seats to make it up to 5500. Shame really, I was in the ground when we played Wigan in a cup tie, 28,500, attendance that day.
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"Here is a little thought which may be a concern. Initially, the revamped North Stand was to have a capacity of 3500, with a stadium capacity of around 7,500.
The North Stand will now have a much reduced capacity, therefore the stadium capacity will be nowhere near 7500. I’m not sure what the minimum capacity is for a Super League Stadium, but we may be pretty close to it.
New East Stand 2500, North Stand probably around 1500, West Terrace 1000?. Perhaps the club will retain the temporary seats to make it up to 5500. Shame really, I was in the ground when we played Wigan in a cup tie, 28,500, attendance that day.'"
This sort of figure is not enough especially for future funding. We currently may not reach this often but surely this is the reason to redevelop the ground. I guess they have never seen the film Field of Dreams.
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| Just looking for issues.
We all knew this wasn't just going to happen overnight.
The East Stand us the key to income streams and the North Stand will be steeper so a better view.
I'm pretty certain we will not trouble the capacity for a while.
We are on our way so let's see how it goes.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"This sort of figure is not enough especially for future funding. We currently may not reach this often but surely this is the reason to redevelop the ground. I guess they have never seen the film Field of Dreams.'"
How many would you suggest???
Its blatently obvious that we would never fill a 10,000 capacity Belle Vue in the next few years, never mind a 12,000 one.
You only have to look at Salford, Shudds, Hull FC, Wigan et al who are nowhere near ever filling their capacity.
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"Here is a little thought which may be a concern. Initially, the revamped North Stand was to have a capacity of 3500, with a stadium capacity of around 7,500.
The North Stand will now have a much reduced capacity, therefore the stadium capacity will be nowhere near 7500. I’m not sure what the minimum capacity is for a Super League Stadium, but we may be pretty close to it.
New East Stand 2500, North Stand probably around 1500, West Terrace 1000?. Perhaps the club will retain the temporary seats to make it up to 5500. Shame really, I was in the ground when we played Wigan in a cup tie, 28,500, attendance that day.'"
As disappointing as it is that we are having to make this amendment (presumably due to rising costs) let's try and be realistic about the impact.
North Stand was proposed to have a capacity of 3500. How much of that was in the top section and how much in the bottom? I don't know but my guess (looking at the original proposed plan for the North Stand) would be say a 1/3 bottom, 2/3 top split. So let's say for arguments sake, 1,200 in bottom section, 2,300 in top section.
The bottom section capacity will not change.
The top section will be reduced from 25 terraced steps to 16, so by approximately 1/3. This would give us maybe 1,500 now in top section.
So overall capacity of North Stand goes from 3,500 to 2,700.
All guess work based on the drawings I know, but let's not assume the worst until we know.
If overall capacity goes from 7,500 to 6,700 then how many times a year do you think we'd sell out??? Not many
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| Quote ="Fordy"As disappointing as it is that we are having to make this amendment (presumably due to rising costs) let's try and be realistic about the impact.
North Stand was proposed to have a capacity of 3500. How much of that was in the top section and how much in the bottom? I don't know but my guess (looking at the original proposed plan for the North Stand) would be say a 1/3 bottom, 2/3 top split. So let's say for arguments sake, 1,200 in bottom section, 2,300 in top section.
The bottom section capacity will not change.
The top section will be reduced from 25 terraced steps to 16, so by approximately 1/3. This would give us maybe 1,500 now in top section.
So overall capacity of North Stand goes from 3,500 to 2,700.
All guess work based on the drawings I know, but let's not assume the worst until we know.
If overall capacity goes from 7,500 to 6,700 then how many times a year do you think we'd sell out??? Not many'"
I dont think The North stand has ever been 3500 for many years, if ever. Right now its only 1500 but there are reasons for that.
But to your main point, 6700 will give us a ground smaller than Fev or Cas. Cas exceed that figure every game and some games by at least a couple of thousand more. I think this year they got around 8000 for Catalan.
If the club are happy with smaller gates and little ambition to grow, then I suppose we could make do. But in all honesty a team in Wakey should be looking to get gates as good as Cas.
Finally if franchising comes back having such a small ground could impact our chances.
The reason all this gets me miffed is that we have come such a long way from a brand new all purpose 12K stadium to a 6.7K bodge job. I think we know who are the small group of individuals responsible for cheating us out of that.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"I dont think The North stand has ever been 3500 for many years, if ever. Right now its only 1500 but there are reasons for that.
But to your main point, 6700 will give us a ground smaller than Fev or Cas. Cas exceed that figure every game and some games by at least a couple of thousand more. I think this year they got around 8000 for Catalan.
If the club are happy with smaller gates and little ambition to grow, then I suppose we could make do. But in all honesty a team in Wakey should be looking to get gates as good as Cas.
Finally if franchising comes back having such a small ground could impact our chances.
The reason all this gets me miffed is that we have come such a long way from a brand new all purpose 12K stadium to a 6.7K bodge job. I think we know who are the small group of individuals responsible for cheating us out of that.'"
The capacity is a strange one.
Before the issues over crush barriers etc, our capacity was well over 10k, iirc, there were around 12,000 at BV for a Leeds United v Liverpool reserves games many years ago.
Notwithstanding the current restrictions, the ground is the same size as it was then and with a larger (in terms of capacity) main stand, after the improvements have taken place, surely, we must be closer to the 10k figure, than the circa 7K that there was recently ?
6700 seems a bit under the mark ?
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"The capacity is a strange one.
Before the issues over crush barriers etc, our capacity was well over 10k, iirc, there were around 12,000 at BV for a Leeds United v Liverpool reserves games many years ago.
Notwithstanding the current restrictions, the ground is the same size as it was then and with a larger (in terms of capacity) main stand, after the improvements have taken place, surely, we must be closer to the 10k figure, than the circa 7K that there was recently ?
6700 seems a bit under the mark ?'"
I thought myself that 6700 seems very low. I’m sure it was 10k + and if the safety concerns have been satisfied after these works I see no reason we can’t be close to 10k again.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"I thought myself that 6700 seems very low. I’m sure it was 10k + and if the safety concerns have been satisfied after these works I see no reason we can’t be close to 10k again.'"
I'd certainly dispute the North stand figure. With the front terracing and the revised rear terracing I'd have thought it would hold upwards of 3500.
1200 on the West terrace.
2,500 East stand
Total 7,200 at least.
Adequate for now.
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| All dug out then, from seeing it last night. Wonder how long till concreate is being poured
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