With Fox being a confidence player and a likely starter, I can see the benefit of his captain publicly stating his confidence in him.

that's it - it seemed a shock to me really. your pack smashed ours that game (especially Ali and Krmond) but we still scored 34 points against you from nowhere by awful plays from your backs.

you don't want your backs doing your forwards that injustice week in week out.

Fox suffered from an alarming lack of confidence last season but don´t forget only a couple of seasons ago he was playing for England!
You don´t lose talent - just confidence.
He probably cost us a couple of games last season but to dump half the seasons losses on him is grossly unfair and inaccurate. The way we defended was equally at fault. Seem to remember many tries scored on Bens wing when he wasn´t there!

No - I think Peter has some serious deficiencies (sp?). The main one is confidence - he is a great asset when his confidence is high - but the opposite is true.

He may have scored 17, but I'd like to know the stat for tries conceded? We score one / you score 2 is not my idea of fun!

Sorry n all.

Agree BC was equally has bad at times but that doesn't excuse Fox. Even you admit he cost us a couple of games, well next season that will be a couple too many!!! Bet Foster can't wait to play against Fox again in our first home game. Do you remember that game, not much England talent on show from Fox that day.

If confidence is the problem then send him out on dual reg to get some back. In the meantime can't see the point of playing the guy and taking the risk. Leeds have enough players who could do a far better job and I am sure we could get them on loan.

Not sure you've got that ratio correct directly on foxy but I do remember him scoring two and being at fault for two and we still won the game, his faults do lay within his confidence and can pull off some stupid decisions,
His high ball take isn't the best but ain't no worse than some that also can get peppered with them, if there is any fault I would like to see being stopped is the ridiculous running out of position trying to either tackle the or flapping his arms for an intersection leaving the opposition wing man to just have a simple run in and put down, if he's been told to do this I would be surprised

It can't be a coincidence that both wings were guilty of this. It occasionally worked with the wings coming inside to take the centre as they received the ball, but more often than not both Fox and Cockayne were both left looking foolish. I guess its a defensive pattern that needs better players for it to work effectively.

FOXLEADER
17 TRIES 34
0 GOALS 144
0 DROP GOALS 5
332 CARRIES 692
17 CLEAN BREAKS 37
0 TRY ASSISTS 35
5 OFFLOADS 61
2497 METERS 4040
2 ATTACKING KICKS 176
0 FOURTY TWENTIES 6
2 KICKS IN GENERAL PLAY 328
7.52 AV. GAIN 13.92
57 TACKLE BUSTS 112
80 TACKLES 1179
7 MARKER TACKLES 197
43 RUNS FROM DUMMY HALF 502
0 YELLOW CARDS 3
0 RED CARDS 1
33 ERRORS 46
3 PENALTIES 29
30 MISSED TACKLES 89

Ben Cockayne who gets a lot better press missed more tackles,conceded more penalties and scored fewer tries. He did make 16 fewer errors over the season.


COCKAYNELEADER
12 TRIES 34
2 GOALS 144
0 DROP GOALS 5
419 CARRIES 692
24 CLEAN BREAKS 37
7 TRY ASSISTS 35
24 OFFLOADS 61
3184 METERS 4040
23 ATTACKING KICKS 176
0 FOURTY TWENTIES 6
30 KICKS IN GENERAL PLAY 328
7.6 AV. GAIN 13.92
67 TACKLE BUSTS 112
171 TACKLES 1179
19 MARKER TACKLES 197
184 RUNS FROM DUMMY HALF 502
1 YELLOW CARDS 3
0 RED CARDS 1
17 ERRORS 46
12 PENALTIES 29
48 MISSED TACKLES 89

Give Fox a break. Good luck to the lad hope he's worked on his game and proves a few wrong.

I would like to see him back as his old self. If that means dual reg for a spell so be it - lets see how he is goes first though, he may have regained some confidence close season!

Nice one, slice of humble pie after your turkey

Well we shall see. However what really miffs me is that we have allowed a young player to leave who is twice the player foxy is and would probably have stayed for half the money we are paying him.

Just out of interest, how would you have been ruthless and got rid of foxy bearing in mind he's a contract for next season?

Can't believe it's not even January and we are already bagging one of our own players. We will only succeed by 'supporting' all our players. I suggest some should look at the definition of the word.

Mr Carter we're all super league coaches - we are experts...

I was more interested in the financial angle of getting rid of foxy.???

That's why it's much easier to be a forum owner/coach/chairman - because you can make wild proclamations about anything you fancy, without any regard for employment law, contracts or the actual real life people you're spouting about.

With all that consequence free fun to be had, anyone who would want to do it in real life must be a little bit radio rental!

I must be radio rental. Eastenders has just come on, and I can't be bothered to get up to get the remote to switch over!!
Hence why I'm on here

Probably just as well, after all the negativity that we've just had the last thing you need is a dose of that ultra depressing pile.

Dual Reg ?

We haven't a club to dual reg with? And no championship club can cover super league wages?

They should bring back the U21's never been a lover of the dual reg thing, but understand there is a cost to running what is effectively a reserve team like U21's

It's times like this I've ended up spending too much time on here

Yes I know but a proportion would be better than nothing.

As far as having no dual reg agreement, I didn't realise that, sorry.

In all fairness DC this is a rugby league forum and I think its fair game to pass comment on the ability of players providing it sticks to that. I also think its OK for humble supporters to express their views on such matters even if they are not a coach or have never made a living out of playing.. We pay to watch so why can't we have our say ?

Last but not least Vince Mellors had contract length the same as Foxy and we got out of that so it can done.

I'm ok with Foxy. His mistakes are more evident than most others because of his position but on balance he gives the team a lot.
He doesn't let 2 tries in for every 1 he scores as some say.
Comparing his mistakes to his try rate is not a fair comparison.
His work getting us off our own try line is up there with the best which in the long run saves tries by relieving pressure or saves the forwards work so they can do the hard work in the middle or often sets up our next attack.

He's not perfect but I'd rather work on fixing up his frailties than knocking his confidence further.
He isn't guaranteed a place but we haven't got any better right now.

I'm not against passing comment. I've always been open to solutions I may not have seen. Hence why I asked the question.
I will defend the players we have though. And if he's good enough for Danny k, he's good enough for me.
And we'd get about 20% of a players wage in loan payments. When you have a thin squad to start with, I think this is a very risky call.

Jeez - so now I'm not a supporter and I said he let in 2 tries for every one scored!!!

I am not for packing off players, but I will stick to my assertion that he is fallible and was poor for much of last season.

Merry Christmas!