As much as I would love to see him get more chance and game time the fact is we have better quality players ahead of him and we now have P and R.The time to give him more game time and bring him on was the previous 2 seasons with no P and R but that boat has sailed.

Not sure what else RA could do; he needs game time and as things stand, there are people ahead of him. I hope he goes well and gets something out of it.

I'm sure the Dewsbury coach will see him rait, even if he has an Aussie accent (that should bring a few of them out of the woodwork, they've a little quiet recently, perhaps they are planning). Wonder if there would be a problem if Glen became our coach, RA replaced by a foreigner? GM seems to be an Aussie with a pedigree though

One down three to go, the argument he needs game time is correct but it should be at Wakefield , nobody can tell me he wouldn’t have scored that try Jon Molloy scored on Sunday , Lucas is one of our own who should have  had 1873 investment in him . also he goes, but rhino loanees who won’t be able to get a game and are not as good as Lucas stay .  

I think having brought Ryan over from Aus the coach / club want to see what we have got so he is getting in the starting 17. I do not think anyone has seen enough yet to say that Ryan is a better player than Walshaw. I would like to see Walshaw get a run of games in the second row so we can find out about him. I think given a chance he will prove himself. I have nothing against Ryan and hope he becomes a star with us. I do understand that it is easier to play Ryan ( as we have come over from Aus ) and send Walshaw out on loan. I just hope that we can give Walshaw, Trout and Anankin enough chances this season.

Seems like a sensible decision. For me he is not in the best 17 and he needs to play.

Seems like a win/win here: he gets game time and also gets the coach that some on here are calling for.
Whether a month is enough to undo years of neglect, not so sure

I expect, barring an injury crisis, he will be there for most of, if not all, the rest of the season. We have allowed him to play in the cup tie this week thus meaning he would be cup-tied for us, which, despite playing 3 times for us this year already, makes me think we see him as staying there permanently unless needs must. Given his contract is up at the end of the season i wonder if we will see him back at all.

Anyway, so now that a player has left does that mean one can come in......?

Ryan would be the first one that came to mind. I have nothing against him personally and he may prove to be an astute signing, but for me after 3 or 4 games the jury is still out.
We dont see them training on a daily basis so cant give a completely accurate account, but what i do believe is that he & Harry will be given more games to prove there worth than the likes of Walshaw, Trout, Wildie etc based on the simple fact that they have been brought half the way around the world.

As i said in my previous post, the last time we created top quality players was when we had to expose them to Super League rugby through not having a choice.
Playing games at the top level has to improve you. Matty Wildie is a prime example. Was it JK's last year where we were skint and up against it and Matty played quite a few games and walked away with awards at the end of season do. Since then he has played maybe 15 games in total on and off and lets be honest is probably only still here as at one point in the off season it looked like he would be the best we could get.
Dont get me wrong, im not saying MW is a great, but i think he could have been a far better player than people give him credit for currently if he had been given the opportunities.

Forcing us to play our own academy products was something i kind of hoped would be a plus point on the back of our money troubles over the winter. As it stands, i just dont see it happening anytime soon.

Agree entirely with your comment fritzy, like you I hoped our pre season position would mean a chance for some of our young products to be worked on and encouraged with a view to get some game time, but agars use of walshaw and wildie says to me they were only stop gaps in his plans

Easily said from the comfort of your PC chair i'd suggest.
This is a dogfight season with a lot of money (and indeed the fututre of the club) at stake.
P and r was always likely to bring an influx of other players into the club shoud we be in a position to afford them.
The romantic in me would have loved to see a few of our youngsters some game time and maybe in the second half of the season if we have picked up sufficient points in the first half, they will.
I've picked 13 winnable games for us, 7 in the first half and 6 in the second (admittedly three are against Cas who look like they could well beat us on all three occasions) if we have 10points by the mid point and Bulls, Catalans and london's woes have not improved maybe they will get their chance?
Either way its a long season to be righting off anyones chances after four games, in such a brutal sport.

8 wins SHOULD be enough with the bulls having a 6 point deficit.

Quote ="Fritzys Mullet"Ryan would be the first one that came to mind. I have nothing against him personally and he may prove to be an astute signing, but for me after 3 or 4 games the jury is still out. We dont see them training on a daily basis so cant give a completely accurate account, but what i do believe is that he & Harry will be given more games to prove there worth than the likes of Walshaw, Trout, Wildie etc based on the simple fact that they have been brought half the way around the world...'" www.superleague.co.uk/matchday/player/20527 His stats are very average at present... It's good to see TT ripping it up with his metres gained and his fantastic performance last week but but he's given away 6 penalties so far which is the most in the team and in super league to date. www.superleague.co.uk/stats/player_stats Good luck to Walshaw hopefully more game time over the next month will lead to some form that may give RA the option of giving him another opportunity in second row in the coming months...

Quote ="Fritzys Mullet"Ryan would be the first one that came to mind. I have nothing against him personally and he may prove to be an astute signing, but for me after 3 or 4 games the jury is still out. We dont see them training on a daily basis so cant give a completely accurate account, but what i do believe is that he & Harry will be given more games to prove there worth than the likes of Walshaw, Trout, Wildie etc based on the simple fact that they have been brought half the way around the world...'" www.superleague.co.uk/matchday/player/20527 His stats are very average at present... It's good to see TT ripping it up with his metres gained and his fantastic performance last week but but he's given away 6 penalties so far which is the most in the team and in super league to date. www.superleague.co.uk/stats/player_stats Good luck to Walshaw hopefully more game time over the next month will lead to some form that may give RA the option of giving him another opportunity in second row in the coming months...

Can't see their hands in front of em some, luby could win man of match for next 4weeks at Dewsbury there's no way in less we have an epedemic will walshaw be called back in the Wakefield team

This is not the season to take the moral high ground by playing our younger inexperienced players on a weekly basis. It would be a brave person to stand up and say to the supporters we are out of super league but we do so in an honourable way by sticking with our younger home grown players. It would also be coaching suicide which is easy for some on here to ignore because it is not their future in the hands of the players. I doubt many on here would be quite so understanding.

These players will get playing time but sadly due to necessity it will be less this season due to the imposition of relegation to our game. This is just the sad state of affairs in the game at the moment.

Thats all well and good and i agree but can you explain the last ten years of ignoring our younger home grown players.

This is just the sad state of affairs in the game full stop.

What a load of bull Scarlett what about such as swift and Percival at saints ,line ham and crooks at hull,burgess at Wigan and plenty more you've to have faith mate encourage not drag em off after ten minutes let them learn from their mistakes if they make some,theres plenty of our so called senior players id have off if it was down to mistakes made

and its not the same regime or coach that is ignoring these lads either.
this season is more important than the season after as we will end up in never never land if we do go down, Walshaw has lit up the games when he's been on but I do wish he had been given some more time to do it

How much experience does Lyne, Molloy and Briscoe have? Hasn't Matt Ryan only played 30 NRL games? Siejka has played less than 10. The experience argument is a red herring.

Ok you're right his Wakefield Trinity playing career is over.

I agree with points made to an extent, some of the players who are overseas will be played more because they are probably paid more? Walshaw has played 2 out of 4 games this season and has been sent out on loan to get more gametime. Annakin was brought through last season didn't he go on loan too? Crowther has made his debut and probably get more games under the belt as the season goes along and Max Jowitt will probably get games as Agar has said too. This season is important and if this means this happening and us staying up I'm all for it.

I thought the promotion and relegation thing might come up but as has been pointed out what's the excuse been for the previous 10 years??
Surely as has been proved in the past, there is as much risk bringing 2nd grade players from Oz over as there is in playing a youngster. I'm thinking Southern for example.

I agree with you to an extent as I said but you're saying this now, it isn't 10 years ago - some players are coming through. MC said he wants to put money into our academies to bring youngsters through. Lets not forget who signed Southern...

Every sport evolves around success and how best to achieve it. You look at Manchester United how many players do they have from their own youth development. I would consider a player that has only played 4 first grade games in the NRL to be far more experienced than a player with a similar number of games in SL.

None of us attend training or are involved so how do any of us know how each player compares with the next. If we still had a reserve grade then we could better judge a player's ability and it would allow them to stay within the club's programme.

The bottom line is we can all have our opinions but it is a leisure facility for us and a means of living for the coaching staff therefore they must go with the best team available each week.

Exactly this!