Perhaps we use our eyes and brains to form an opinion based on what we see on the park and understand what we are watching?

Quick question Agent X111, would you rather have Josh Perry or Danny Kirmond in our pack?

Lovegrove is a half decent player but is far better in the back row than at prop and as such would be no replacement for Poore.

I have a spurious question for you would you have our new signing Smith in place of DK because it could happen. Josh Perry was injured for most of his time over here so is not a good comparison which is why I suppose you picked him.

JP = Played at highest level in Oz.
DK = Let go by a SL side.
DK > JP

Your logic is flawed. Fair enough if you prefer Poore to Lovegrove - not a problem at all, your opinion, your entitled to it. Just don't try justify it because one has played SoO and 1 has been released by another club because that's clearly not always the case.

Josh Perry and most Saints fans will agree is a waste of space, average at best.

I love the Wakefield board. They even use algebra to rate players. It barely gets above offering you and your dad out for a fight if you offer an opinion on the Hull KR board.

By the way Lovegrove is ok but cannot defend and lacks aggression. Good if someone upsets him or hits him. If not can drift through games. Highly thought of by alot of our fans. We need defenders though and some aggression.
Hope we don't get into expoliting your situation. We've been through it and its horrible. Hope it gets sorted.

What you need to take into consideration is do the Hull KR supporters want to sign Poore and the answer would appear to be yes so they must see something that some on here don't. The way we are going our front row next season could be Raleigh, Wilde and Smith with currently little or no cover. That would strike fear into every club in SL.

Why don't you play Agent XIII you could have most sides committing mass suicide with your utterings.

Ah, right - so not that he has played "at the top level" then? Well, if I was in charge of recruitment I would be straight on here checking how supporters rate potential signings.....

What was it that Wayne Bennett used to say about listening to the fans?

I mean, no mediocre imported prop forward would ever be unjustly rated by fans on the forum would they? **Cough - Korki - **Cough**

Another question, do you think we get value from our imported, big name, big rep, SoO prop forward? You know, the one who gives away more penalties than anybody in the whole league (bar Benny W) whilst pulling a particularly large wedge from the club?

Or is it because he was signed by the old lot and your (not very well hidden) agenda won't let you have a bad word said against anything they did?

That's the best you can come up with, not very constructive or accurate but on a par with most of the posts I read and as per usual Tommy Duckfingers follows with his opinion on Poore. He appears to suggest that he was an expensive flop but I would guess some would disagree with that but why let this get in the way when they are desperately trying to justify to themselves why we need to sell our better players. If it makes you feel better you keep living the illusion.

Correct me if I have this wrong but currently we have a very small squad and will find it hard to put out a team next season unless changes are made.

Other teams will wish to buy our better players which may or may not include Poore.

By selling these players we can sign less sought after players and get to put a team on the field next season at a price we can afford.

The only other option is to keep hold of a group of players we can not afford to pay and then fail to field a side if anyone gets injured.

I am not as wise has other posters but this is how I understand our current situation although Agent James suggests this may not be the case and after he has refused to look at the books he must know more then the current chairman and coach.

I for one hope he's not here next year giving countless penalties away whilst gaining hardly any yards. Poore was a massive, massive disappointment for someone who is "SOO" quality. I'd get rid now and bring in some hard working british forwards like Wire have done.

Last one we will not get any money for Poore, the only ones with any asset value left are Kirkmond, Aiton, and Collis providing the last two do not return to Australia. I would expect that these will be the first to go after we have not renewed the contracts for some players. If you think that will cover the £300,000 debt dream on it will just be the start.
The only good thing is that the players will have their names on the shirts so that we can recognise them.

I liked Poore but he could be a liability at times. As money is an issue and the pack is thinning every month, there is an argument that we would do as well getting a couple of young hungry players, willing to make an impact for their careers, for the same money.

I've never seen him play, but players like Smith are maybe the way forward next year: players who have been good enough to be spotted by clubs and recruited but not quite made the grade and so are looking for a chance to prove themselves. A bit like Amor and Kirmond when they first came to Wakefield, and arguably Tim Smith and Lee Smith, who weren't getting first team berths. Cheap and hungry is what we need.

Expensive flop.
Expensive holding down.
Expensive punching.
Expensive not standing square.
Expensive offside.

The penalties he gave away were pretty expensive. I'm not trying to justify anything, I have no axe to grind with either the previous or current regime so I don't have to twist everything to suit my jaundiced viewpoint.

You really are crap at this, I remember when we used to have decent trolls on here who at least strung it out for a good few months before they gave the game away.

Trolls ain't what they used to be for sure.
Has for Poore I don't entirely agree with you're assessment.

There's one on the casforum, 'alf tupper' who everyone thought was a wakey fan, but the style of writing, divisive, know it all, fix nothing attitude is identical to this 'agent' chap and has caused me to re-asses. There is no way on earth this person is a wakey fan in my opinion.

That's fair enough pal, if you rate Poore more or less than me then nobody can argue. It's when people just use something like this it to promote an agenda it gets a bit boring.

If he can improve the penalty count he'll be even better there is no doubt but he makes very few errors, misses few tackles and bruises the defense. (Though I haven't checked the stats)
He also seems to be a good leader and popular with his team mates and stands up to be counted when other teams are trying to rough us up.

I'm ok with his progress and think there is mor to come

To play state of origin you must clearly have some talent,maybe it was just a rough freshman year in super league and next year he could destroy the league??? Plus he his a leader and an 'enforcer' that you will need next year if the squad is threadbare and littered with kids

And that's why I would like to keep him, he'll be a big asset to our squad.

You say trolls are not what they used to be but in this case I think he is a troll of old, reminds me of Mr Benson and would be surprised if it/she/he are not one and the same.

One hundred and eighty!

Cant recall Mr Benson, what was his/her/its gripe?

Chris Feather from what I can remember.