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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"The problem is not Owen but that we have no structure both in attack or defence. We are basically 13 headless chickens relying on individual skill which sadly we do not have. If you look at our try's today one was an interception and one from a kick, the other was Collis getting a pass out of the tackle but none from any organised play or by making a break.'"
And it's exactly the same in defence. A line of players simply unable to read a play and slide across as a unit to cover a wide attack, leaver an inexperienced winger exposed.
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| Why is Owen taking the kick offs anyway ? I'm sure he'll bounce back with a stormer against Leeds
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| Ok the facts
6 points in the game very close
The lazy moron saunters to the ball slips and Cas go in this is now 12 points
The moron kicks out on full on a huge pitch suddenly gap is 18. No way back mainly.down to the lazy idiot from cas
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Run on the attackers everytime easy tackle but getting it wrong.completely.'" I think you are being harsh on Owen. I am happy with him at Full back. Better than Mathers, and I am better than Hall. Geoffrey Boycott's Mum is better than Hall. He had 2 brain farts with the kick offs. Part of a team discipline issue. The kick bounce was really not preventable in my opinion..it's typical of the luck you get when you are down and out, which unless we get a Kear moment with a new coach, we are.
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| Quote ="charlie63wildcat"I think you are being harsh on Owen. I am happy with him at Full back. Better than Mathers, and I am better than Hall. Geoffrey Boycott's Mum is better than Hall. He had 2 brain farts with the kick offs. Part of a team discipline issue. The kick bounce was really not preventable in my opinion..it's typical of the luck you get when you are down and out, which unless we get a Kear moment with a new coach, we are.'"
Are you serious. Been harsh he's a pro player he cost us 30 points today. You must be as bad at work as he is. You probably don't work tho do u?
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Are you serious. Been harsh he's a pro player he cost us 30 points today. You must be as bad at work as he is. You probably don't work tho do u?'"
Have you not tired yourself out yet with your tantrum. I'd love Owen to be the one thing that makes us crap but he's nowhere near. There is so much wrong at our club both on and off the field that Owen is but a side show - unless of course you are obsessed.
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| Any other sport there would be a stewards enquiry for sure. Never seen such a performance it was blatant.
We have a john fashnu in our ranks get rid now
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| Quote ="vastman"Have you not tired yourself out yet with your tantrum. I'd love Owen to be the one thing that makes us crap but he's nowhere near. There is so much wrong at our club both on and off the field that Owen is but a side show - unless of course you are obsessed.'"
I genuinely don't disagree and ngbfc is clearly not quite right, but when he slipped after sauntering over to the ball i lost all sympathy for him. Fair enough knock on, fair enough kick out on the full, fair enough lose your footing, but to move so slowly towards the ball and then kick out on the full twice is ridiculous and he deserves all the subsequent abuse. Those mistakes are about attitude esp the slip mistake. That said he's far from the root cause of our problems
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Any other sport there would be a stewards enquiry for sure. Never seen such a performance it was blatant.
We have a john fashnu in our ranks get rid now'"
Do you actually read what you post? It's utter drivel
Do you actually attend any games? If so, you should at least try to attempt to acquaint yourself with the basics of rugby league.
I fear for your sanity, your inane ramblings point to someone who has deep personal issues.
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| Don't understand how anyone has the audacity to defend Richard Owen. Might not be the root cause but by God he doesn't half help make the problems 10x worse. Apart from last minute try vs Leeds and only looking good in a few games this year (mainly due to other players being so bad) he has easily been one of the poorest signings in SL. Craig Hall and Chris Riley have been worse I suppose.
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| Man of match to that. Very dodgy performance today I'm not having it
He ain't the root.cause but a stewards enquiry should be given today. Bent as a nine bob note his performance today. Look when he saunted across to the wingers and blatantly.missed them watch it back
back. 2 kick offs on the full, dropped ball into a cas hands got in Johnstones way when catching the ball. It was a shameful display. Needs to be looked into
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| 1 off the kick offs that went out on the full was tim smith
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| In a team display that was a shambles to pick on one player seems harsh. Owen didn't have a good game along with the vast majority of the squad that took the field today. Saw some effort in the pack apart from that F A.
They say confidance is low so is ability.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"got in Johnstones way when catching the ball. It was a shameful display. Needs to be looked into'"
I would say Johnstone got in Owens way, as Riley nearly did in the 1st half.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Man of match to that. Very dodgy performance today I'm not having it
He ain't the root.cause but a stewards enquiry should be given today. Bent as a nine bob note his performance today. Look when he saunted across to the wingers and blatantly.missed them watch it back
back. 2 kick offs on the full, dropped ball into a cas hands got in Johnstones way when catching the ball. It was a shameful display. Needs to be looked into'"
I let the first one go but stop saying the players are throwing games or taking back handers.
That will get you a warning and ban pretty quickly.
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| Owens not trying though!
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| Every single team in Super League (and probably every sports team) will have a number of players who make more than their fair share of errors, but they make up for it with enthusiasm and attitude. We have had a few at Cas down the years. Wayne Pryce for example struggled under the high ball early on and had poor positioning at times BUT he would make up for it by always giving it a go, always looking for work and if a team made a break he would always be the one chasing back. Michael Wainright was another, slow as treacle but always put his body on the line, never had his head down or shoulders slumped. The majority of fans will support a player like that. What they won't do is give their support to a player who not only makes those mistakes but is then lazy, lethargic and jogs round like he has just woken up after a night on the town.
I'm by no means rubbing it in - I wasn't at the game and have yet to see yesterdays highlights - but having read the comments on here I can picture how he played, and the attitude he will have shown which infuriates fans. It is a huge problem which I no longer think can be fixed. This is a player who early on at Cas was watched by Wigan!
I said this back in January, and I don't think anything has changed:
I must have seen Owen play about half of his 121 games for Cas. For me it's simply down to his attitude.
How can a player be so quick and decisive in attack (he is one of the best finishers I have seen at Cas), yet in defence he is so slow and lazy. Far too often you would see him beat a few players on the outside then dive into the corner for a well taken try. Then a few sets later, the ball is kicked through by the opposition and he would stroll after it, let it bounce a few times, then decide to try and sheppard it out allowing his opposite number to score. Or he wouldn't jump for a kick, just let it come down into his arms.
His body language is also awful when it's not going right, shoulders slumped/back turned/head down. That's what annoyed me the most.
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| Quote ="Willzay"Don't understand how anyone has the audacity to defend Richard Owen. Might not be the root cause but by God he doesn't half help make the problems 10x worse. Apart from last minute try vs Leeds and only looking good in a few games this year (mainly due to other players being so bad) he has easily been one of the poorest signings in SL. Craig Hall and Chris Riley have been worse I suppose.'"
As ever you get it wrong - no one is defending Owens performance yesterday so you can put your big word "audacity" back in the box. He more than any other player helped lose us that game, can't argue he was dreadful.
What sensible posters are trying to point out is that Owen is not the problem just a symptom. He's not even generally the worst player. Getting rid of him will make no difference whatsoever to the teams form. He's certainly lost us no more games than Hall and unlike Smith and Miller he tries however badly to contribute. His body language is shocking, I can't explain that and I wish someone would explain to him how important it is.
With the right coaching Owen could be as good as average maybe more but in this team he's just one of many no hopers.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Are you serious. Been harsh he's a pro player he cost us 30 points today. You must be as bad at work as he is. You probably don't work tho do u?'"
This is the sort of post that makes you so likeable, loveable even on this board all he's done is offer an opinion which differs to yours yet you feel the need to throw unnecessary insults his way, as you rightly point out a dozen times at least on this thread Owen had a stinker yesterday and did himself no favours with you or his other committee of detractors' who you seem to have made yourself the President of, nobody is making any excuse for his performance yesterday the difference is they don't need a dozen or more posts' to make their point unlike you and also tempering them with a few chosen insults at certain posters while doing so, that's the difference really though most on here only need one post to make their point where as your good self has to labour the point to get yours across, what a sad individual you really are.
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| People don't half talk some trash on here.
Owen has been one of the most interested players over the last couple of months. Majority he has played well wherever he has been asked.
Yes he was shocking yesterday and had a bad one but my god get a grip. If Owen is a symptom (I whole heartedly disagree) then what about Riley, smith, kirmond, Miller that have pretty much been the 4 worst players consistently every game. I wouldn't bat an eye at any of those leaving atm.
I don't rant much but one shocker from Owen and his back gets jumped on to the extreme.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"People don't half talk some trash on here.
Owen has been one of the most interested players over the last couple of months. Majority he has played well wherever he has been asked.
Yes he was shocking yesterday and had a bad one but my god get a grip. If Owen is a symptom (I whole heartedly disagree) then what about Riley, smith, kirmond, Miller that have pretty much been the 4 worst players consistently every game. I wouldn't bat an eye at any of those leaving atm.
I don't rant much but one shocker from Owen and his back gets jumped on to the extreme.'"
Do you mean problem, otherwise you're saying exactly what I said. I suppose a better word might be victim?
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Owens not trying though!'"
You are, very.
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| Yeah was a typo meant victim!
I rarely post these days as it is but it's become so boring and predictable with witch hunts like this going to the extreme that's all.
Owen is the least of our worries
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| Cas fans have seen Owen make them same casual mistakes over and over again. Brian smith should have Owen on his first to axe list. He will never learn. He's a pretty average winger, an utterly woeful full back though. Brain dead at times. I'm certain sammut or hall would be better FB options.
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| Quote ="Towns88"Brian smith should have Owen on his first to axe list. He will never learn. He's a pretty average winger, an utterly woeful full back though. Brain dead at times. I'm certain sammut or hall would be better FB options.'"
Being a cas fan what do you base your certainty that either of the two players' you mention would be a better option than Owen, or why do you even care for that matter! other than you've made it plainly obvious that your not a fan of Owen's.
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