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| Quote ="coco the fullback"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking
Of course it's cherry picking. It's the very definition of cherry picking.
Why have you only selected games since lockdown? (I only make it 22 games since lockdown by the way).
You have selected the run of fixtures which best matches the point you wish to make. Without context.
In that run of games 68% of them were played against just 4 teams (Catalans 5 times, Leeds 4 times and Wigan & Saints 3 times each). Is this a fair or random sample?
The context of Covid, player availability and fixture pile-up were not taken into account. It is implied that the only factor is the standard of coaching.
My stats were absolutely deliberately cherry picked to emphasise how easy it is to make a case to match any argument. I am not deluded, but neither do I have an agenda to denigrate the club.'"
Ok i was 1 game wrong if thats what you say but its still not cherry picking if i was doing that i could say what 8 wins out of what around 47 but lets go on this s⁷eason which is a 0 % win rate or we could go on your way and go back to 60s.
At end of day only place where heading is the championship whichim sure you will be ok with cos we won a few in 2018
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| Quote ="Travelling Wilbury"I think last night his body language says it all. He does need to go, I think for his own health and maybe even sanity.
Can't knock the effort and commitment, but make no mistake here, Leeds were awful, and were there for the taking. It was our own mistakes that cost us.
I don't know who, but we need a strict coach, with a stricter regime, with his own conditioners etc, but to be allowed to do things his way. Any players who don't want to pull rank, and be in the trenches, need to be shown the door. As somebody mentioned a few days ago, isn't it the record number of players off contract later this year.
Can honestly say at the moment, I'm very disappointed with our overseas players overall.'"
Must admit, as a non wakey fan, I nearly posted a week or 2 ago after a game that you should let him go, for his own sanity, his body language was terrible (not a criticism) he was slumped forward on the bench and after a mistake, his reaction was like something from a comedy film. Dramatic and tbh unprofessional.
I cant see him fixing this for you guys, even if you get a win, its weighing heavy on him as a person, do the right thing, put him out of his misery
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| His aftermatch interview reminded me of the one last year when we beat the Farts, last year he looked very emotional but it was with relief, this time it look like resignation. I said it before, it appears from the outside that even he doesn't think he'll turn it around. When things stop being fun it's time for a change. I feel Chester himself is at this point.
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| Quote ="homme vaste"Coco, I am telling you now in 6 games time, it will be too late.'"
Possibly, but with 13 games after that, with the only target not to finish bottom, it should be enough.
Yet another wasted season but until we can increase finances, we cannot expect to increase success.
By significant turnaround I mean it can't wait until round 12 for a win, in fact, if we lose the next 2 games it would probably be time to pull the trigger. We need to have 2 or 3 wins by round 12 and I can't see us getting much from Warrington, Cas or Wigan.
The next problem could be that of finding a better coach who is willing to come to the club mid-season.
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| Quote ="coco the fullback"Possibly, but with 13 games after that, with the only target not to finish bottom, it should be enough.
Yet another wasted season but until we can increase finances, we cannot expect to increase success.
By significant turnaround I mean it can't wait until round 12 for a win, in fact, if we lose the next 2 games it would probably be time to pull the trigger. We need to have 2 or 3 wins by round 12 and I can't see us getting much from Warrington, Cas or Wigan.
The next problem could be that of finding a better coach who is willing to come to the club mid-season.'"
I agree Coco, in our next 3 we play; Hull KR, Hudds and Leigh, if we are still without a win after that then there is no doubt in my mind Chester just has to go.
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| Chester should go now. If we lose the next three we are down.
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| I agree with a few other posters, Chris looked shocking during and after the match. The last time I can remember someone looking that bad was Steadman when Trin slammed Cas at the Jungle.
Regardless of the state of the team, relegation etc someone needs to make a decision and get him out of the firing line for his own good.
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| Quote ="lampyboy"131 I have stated that MC saved the club and provided a level of funding that saw the club develop but things have gone stagnent and not moved on to the next level
. I take it you know the clubs finances to be able to state moneys not available. MC seems to think he's taken the club as far as he can and if that's the case so be it.
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Its up to the club to look at raising funds. accountants in general tend to look at a figure and work around it or cut the cloth accordinly( survival).'"
I have no idea what the clubs finances are , but I know the pathetic number that follow the club and buy ST's.
It doesn't take much to work out that we don't have the funds of the vast majority of other SL clubs. to splash out on players.
I want the same as you, but what we need is a big backer, because without one, I think we're always going to be 'cutting the cloth accordingly'.
We've rode our luck in previous seasons but I feel lady luck is not with us this season!
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| Talking about finances, where’s the Andrew Fifita money?
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| Quote ="Lockers700"Talking about finances, where’s the Andrew Fifita money?'"
That's a good question - perhaps there was going to be a sponsor for that - similar to when Wally Lewis came?
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| We managed to win more games in our opening 6 league rounds in 2011 (one was Catalans away) and 2015. That’s quite telling.
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| Quote ="Willzay"We managed to win more games in our opening 6 league rounds in 2011 (one was Catalans away) and 2015. That’s quite telling.'"
I’ve been thinking about the 2011 season quite a bit recently, very similar vibes.
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| Quote ="TimmySmith"I’ve been thinking about the 2011 season quite a bit recently, very similar vibes.'"
I think this is more 2015
In 2011, we sold several first choice players between something like rounds 1 and 2, then had to just bring in players here and there, just to get through, but in the meantime, unearthed some favourites in Amor and for a while anyway, Mariano.
There are some here now that just don't look like they want to he here.
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| Quote ="Travelling Wilbury"I think this is more 2015
In 2011, we sold several first choice players between something like rounds 1 and 2, then had to just bring in players here and there, just to get through, but in the meantime, unearthed some favourites in Amor and for a while anyway, Mariano.
There are some here now that just don't look like they want to he here.'"
Agreed.
In all honesty in hindsight maybe the signs were there? Dreadfully unlucky with injuries/COVID last season left us without our first choice side for the entire season pretty much but on the back of that we moved 9 players on (10 if you include Naverette’s loan ending) and signed 2. We now find ourselves in a very similar position, missing some key players and struggling on the field.
Talk of Andrew Fifita whilst exciting at the time, is laughable looking back. The sort of money we will have been paying for him, could surely be used elsewhere?
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| I'm not getting the don't want to be here vibe.
Effort can not be in question so you then ask how many would get a game at another club.
Wake Leigh Salford don't seem in any recruitment rush for next season and in our case unless not released we haven't re signed any of the off contract players.
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| Does anyone have a list of our players that are currently injured and when they are due back?
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| Quote ="TimmySmith"Does anyone have a list of our players that are currently injured and when they are due back?'"
I’ll give it a go:
1. J.Miller - 1-2 weeks.
2. J.Wood - 4 months (probably season)
3. TJ - another 4 weeks but possibly longer.
4. J.Croft - Season ACL.
5. R. Hampshire - 3-4 weeks Jaw.
6. A.Walker - unknown back injury.
7. D.Fifita - cracked rib prob 4 weeks minimum.
8. K.Wood - unknown.
9. J.Crowther - foot injury / unknown.
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Think that’s most or all of them....
You could argue around half of our starting 13...
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"I’ll give it a go:
1. J.Miller - 1-2 weeks.
2. J.Wood - 4 months (probably season)
3. TJ - another 4 weeks but possibly longer.
4. J.Croft - Season ACL.
5. R. Hampshire - 3-4 weeks Jaw.
6. A.Walker - unknown back injury.
7. D.Fifita - cracked rib prob 4 weeks minimum.
8. K.Wood - unknown.
9. J.Crowther - foot injury / unknown.
10. B.Tupou - 1 week (leg I think).
Think that’s most or all of them....
You could argue around half of our starting 13...'"
You are spot on At least 6 of them would be in the 17 every week .Though we were very unlucky last night .But as the new coaching staff got here to late they have made a big difference to the defence,hard to judge if the attack as to many key players missing
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| And all I read about in my paper this morning was Leeds injuries!!! Fed up of all these CC critics. Yes we are all disappointed but give it a rest.
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| Quote ="homme vaste"
On top of everything this morning I was told Jowitt was not to be offered a new deal for next year which I really hope isn`t true, he does a job wherever he is asked to play, not too sure what the lad does wrong but we would rather persist with picking the wrong option time after time.'"
Sorry but IMO that would be absolutely ridiculous!
MJ has given his all for this club and it should be reciprocated.
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| So to come into the team next week we have Batch, Bill (possibly), Kyle W (possibly), Brad W, Milky (maybe) and anyone else doing donuts in the carpark.
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| Quote ="1315trinity"Sorry but IMO that would be absolutely ridiculous!
MJ has given his all for this club and it should be reciprocated.'"
Depends what he is asking money wise.
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| Although a few mistakes at crucial times cost us the win last night, the 17 players gave all that they had.
Some of the efforts, from Westerman and Arona in particular, were immense.
The young lads at FB and Hooker went pretty well too.
Until we can get over the line and win a game, the pressure on everyone continues to build.
Hopefully, with some fans back next week, we can break our duck
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| Quote ="phe13"Depends what he is asking money wise.'"
Use Alex Walker’s wage on him. Saying that we go on about Chester’s feelings but think of the players he’s messed about over the years.
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| One thing is for sure whoever is in charge next year they have to be recruiting now or if left will be asked to have players they haven't been party to recruiting.
so either back C.C
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