He is playing out of position in a team that is low in confidence and of course is playing where he is picked.
My point is he's getting a lot of stick on here when we have a LOT of bigger problems.

I'm allowed a opinion and I don't rate crowther one bit should not be in the team in my opinion. See some of the home grown lads for other teams. JC does not cut the mustard for me. When seeing him as a lf and 2nr row I honestly don't rate him.

At this point Crowther is a solid loose forward, nothing more, nothing less. A hooker he isn't, even he and Chester knows that i'd imagine but he is helping in in an area we are short and kudos to him for that. Moving forward he will likely continue to develop as a back rower to become a good superleague standard player. I hope that is with us but part of me wonders whether for the sake of his own development a change of scenery might be the best course of action. He's 24 now i think and been with Wakey all along. Sometimes you've got to take a risk to fulfil your potential and to me he looks like a young guy who would benefit from new surroundings. Didn't we announce in the off season that he was being allowed to speak to other clubs to test his worth? We may find out soon enough what he decides.

Have you looked at the bit in bold if it helps I was referring you supporting NGBC being brave he is an absolute keyboard warrior who has nothing but identifying scapegoats to do.

Been absolutely immense this season and even in the shortened season last year.
Can't fault him for wanting to go 'home' for his final contract.

Last season he was solid but he was nowhere near as influential and was carrying too much weight imho.

This pre season he looks a stone lighter and in the best shape physically I’ve seen him in many seasons. Last season I would t have been too bothered if he went but this season he has been very good. Fair play to the guy he’s in great form and even if he had signed for another club next year we still get the benefit of him for the remainder of 2021 so just enjoy while it lasts I say.

If the rumours are true and he is heading home next season, you can't fault his effort and desire for us at the moment - very professional.

Correct. He's been sensational for us so far this season. He will be a big loss if he does leave.

Those rumours seemed more certain a month ago than now but who knows.

He looks happy here, probably the first time he has been the main player at a team too. Hull and Wire used him as a wide second rower while with us he is the middle dictating play while also taking the ball in.

Who knows, he may stay.

According to League Express CC is having talks with Shaun Wane during the week to try and encourage him to include Westerman in the England set up.

Shouldn’t need to, his form alone should warrant inclusion.can’t think of a current LF with the skills and above all the physicality to take on the Aussies.

But we're talking about Wakefield Trinity remember, vasty.
Would be great to see Joer and TJ waking out for England,

I know exactly what you mean, and that’s my point it shouldn’t matter.

With TJ I have an emotional investment. I spotted his potential instantly, I don’t always get it right but I was sure about him from the start. So to see him develop has been great and I’ll be gutted if he misses out.

I have no investment in Westerman at all, he’s not a Trinity product, he let us down as a kid when he’d agreed to sign then didn't. Up until joining us I thought he was an under performing mercenary if I’m honest. So as a say no particular loyalty to the bloke.

So unlike with Tom I am not biased and hand on heart he is imho the best British LF/middle in the SL on current form. As an added bonus he’s physically and mentally tough enough to face the Aussies and Kiwis.

He should be one of the first on the team sheet but I fear he will be ignored due to being a Trinity player. Maybe Wane is smarter than that, let’s hope so.

He’s a class player. Don’t know if it’s because he’s playing for us who are not quite seen as a ‘bigger team’ like Hull or Wire but can’t remember watching him for them play this well. I’d say he’s got a better chance than Johnstone of making the England team based on this years form, he is SL’s form 13 in my opinion. He will be a huge loss for us if he leaves.

Strange one this in that Andy Last is assistant to Shaun Wane. AL should have been reporting back how JW is going -that's if Wane can't see for himself.

I can’t see anyone being starting LF other than Bateman, even if he’s not performing well in the league.

I agree, Batemans NRL experience will give him the nod over most tbf, hes tried and tested over there even though he’s not a 13.

He’s more utility than Westerman and I don’t mean that as an insult, there is room for both.

Cant see westerman been picked over bateman sutton or whitehead despite his good form farrell will also get picked as a wiganer that wane knows well though tbh his form over last two years has been good too

Square pegs, Round holes......

Sutton isn’t even close to international class and Whitehead is a centre turned SR. Bateman is certainly in with a shout as is Farrell.

All I can say is that if Wane is true to his word then he has to look at Westerman, if he does I don’t see how he can refuse to select him in the squad.

When you have enough round pegs then why?

If Wane doesn’t go for square pegs then I may start to believe we have a chance.

I agree 100% about Sutton, but we both know because he’s playing over there he’ll be in the side.

Whitehead a centre? Only in the same way Ellis or Westerman were.
He's an outstanding second row.

I wouldn't play Sutton at 13 but as a middle forward his stats are better than most in every game.

I like Westerman a lot but his form for us won't get him in the England team.

Edit: I see why you responded on Whitehead now. Correct he's not a 13.i misunderstood what you were saying.