Both, sarcasm and humour are the same thing surely. It’s only called sarcasm when you can’t take a joke.

OK, here it is so far, some teams still to do. I admit it's not yet definitive for any club yet, ourselves included. Please excuse spellings.

I fully accept I may have missed some of the very latest signings.

* Indicates players who play more than one position and as such ARE NOT specialist props IMHO, middles as they now call them.

Feel free to add but you must differentiate between specialist pros and utility/middle. Thanks

Hudds (so far)

Wilson
English
Gavet
Kirby*
Trout*
Yates*
Ta'ai

Hull KR (tricky this one)

Vete
King
Maher
Mudoti
Simms*
Lawler*

Hull FC (so far)

Taylor
Satae
Matongo
Brown
Sao*
Fash*
Bowden*

Leeds

Seumanufagai
Olędzki
Holdroyd
Harrison
Prior*
Tetevano*


Salford

Ikahihifo
Mossop
Johnson
Pauli Pauli*

Wigan

Singleton
Bullock
Burgess
Kilner
Chubb*
Partington*

Saints

Walmsley
Lees
Amor
Paasi
Norman
LMS*

Cas

Watts
Smith
Hepi
Martin
Millington*
Lafao*
Moors*

Wakefield Trinity

Fifita
Green
Tanganata
Tanginoa
Aydin
Arona*
Westerman*

Right, I don't give a monkey's about the relative quality of the players, that is purely subjective and can't be decided until the end of the 2021 season for certain, we'd be here all day arguing that one. It's the numbers and ours add up and if we got Battye they would add up better than most.

More teams to follow.

Leeds have released Suemanuwhatever. Going back home.

Well they are doomed, not enough props



That was low level sarcasm, I’ll get me coat.

I’ve used Wikipedia, so apologies if any of the players I’ve added have since moved on.

I’ve taken Westerman off ours, he’s never played prop and at the moment it’s just speculation on here. Whichever way you look at we need another prop, two in my opinion. Even with just Battye we’d need some luck with injuries.

Leeds have just released Ava, so they look light as well. I expect them to recruit.

Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"I’ve used Wikipedia, so apologies if any of the players I’ve added have since moved on. I’ve taken Westerman off ours, he’s never played prop and at the moment it’s just speculation on here. Whichever way you look at we need another prop, two in my opinion. Even with just Battye we’d need some luck with injuries. Leeds have just released Ava, so they look light as well. I expect them to recruit.'" Are you taking the mick, virtually none of those have ever played prop yet you take Westerman off! =#FF0000Wilson English Gavet Kirby* Trout* Yates* Ta'ai Lawrence* Oh come on! Loose forward, Second-row, Centre, Wing, no mention of Prop - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_L ... gby_league) Hull KR (tricky this one) =#FF0000Vete King Maher Mudoti Simms* Lawler* Harrison* Mudoti Is that his twin further up Hull FC (so far) =#FF0000Taylor Satae Matongo Brown Sao* Fash* Bowden* Brown Already in the list Leeds =#FF0000Olędzki Holdroyd Harrison Prior* Tetevano* Salford =#FF0000Ikahihifo Mossop Johnson Ormondroyd Pauli Pauli* Burke* Greenwood* Second Row, played prop once, so I'll add Crowther to ours then Wigan =#FF0000Singleton Bullock Burgess Kilner Byrne Chubb* Partington* Havard - 1 game, ok Clark - No longer at Wigan Kilner - So good you've named him twice Saints Walmsley =#FF0000Lees Amor Paasi Norman LMS* Cas =#FF0000Watts Smith Hepi Martin Millington* Lafao* Moors* Massey* Not a specialist prop though! You need to add the *!!!!!!! Cook* He's gone. Griffin* Again not a specialist prop though! I've put the specialist and experienced (and I'm being generous with some) in red. Still can't see many with 6, can you? Just admit you're wrong and we are fairly well off and if Battye joined we'd be spot o, =#FF0000Fifita Tangata Green Battye Aydin Arona Tanginoa Westerman That's five Props and three Prop/Middles, all proven even Aydin a little.

Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"I’ve used Wikipedia, so apologies if any of the players I’ve added have since moved on. I’ve taken Westerman off ours, he’s never played prop and at the moment it’s just speculation on here. Whichever way you look at we need another prop, two in my opinion. Even with just Battye we’d need some luck with injuries. Leeds have just released Ava, so they look light as well. I expect them to recruit.'" Are you taking the mick, virtually none of those have ever played prop yet you take Westerman off! =#FF0000Wilson English Gavet Kirby* Trout* Yates* Ta'ai Lawrence* Oh come on! Loose forward, Second-row, Centre, Wing, no mention of Prop - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_L ... gby_league) Hull KR (tricky this one) =#FF0000Vete King Maher Mudoti Simms* Lawler* Harrison* Mudoti Is that his twin further up Hull FC (so far) =#FF0000Taylor Satae Matongo Brown Sao* Fash* Bowden* Brown Already in the list Leeds =#FF0000Olędzki Holdroyd Harrison Prior* Tetevano* Salford =#FF0000Ikahihifo Mossop Johnson Ormondroyd Pauli Pauli* Burke* Greenwood* Second Row, played prop once, so I'll add Crowther to ours then Wigan =#FF0000Singleton Bullock Burgess Kilner Byrne Chubb* Partington* Havard - 1 game, ok Clark - No longer at Wigan Kilner - So good you've named him twice Saints Walmsley =#FF0000Lees Amor Paasi Norman LMS* Cas =#FF0000Watts Smith Hepi Martin Millington* Lafao* Moors* Massey* Not a specialist prop though! You need to add the *!!!!!!! Cook* He's gone. Griffin* Again not a specialist prop though! I've put the specialist and experienced (and I'm being generous with some) in red. Still can't see many with 6, can you? Just admit you're wrong and we are fairly well off and if Battye joined we'd be spot o, =#FF0000Fifita Tangata Green Battye Aydin Arona Tanginoa Westerman That's five Props and three Prop/Middles, all proven even Aydin a little.

Matt cook has left Cas, and Greenwood has never played prop for Salford so exactly like Westerman

I didn’t realise that about Cook as he’s still on the website, and Salford have Greenwood listed as a prop on theirs.

Westerman still isn’t a prop, and Battye hasn’t signed.



What’s changed since you said this 3 pages ago?

Ok, we are getting nowhere, so my last word.

You said the rest of the SL squads had at least 6 specialist and experienced props, the list proves they don't, that's what's changed.

I honestly don't mind you not rating our Props/Middles, that's your opinion. What I had an issue with are the false numbers you gave. We are in a similar boat to just about everyone else except for Leigh, too whom the rest of SL is vastly superior on paper, at least for now. We start with as good a squad as most SL teams, including props. Not saying it's a winning team but I am saying the numbers stack up.

Have a happy new year

I agree.
We have 4 decent props with a couple more who can cover if needed.
Yes we could do with another.
Yes we are pretty much the same as the other clubs
Loads of time to go yet.

And thats why this is a forum and everybody are entitled to there own opinions

I think we have 2 very good props and 1 average and 1 below par agree we need 1 or 2 more and find the full back postion a bit baffeling .
If say we lost walker and gigot and replaced with battye plus another forward then we could have a good squad

Time will tell though

As MC has already mentioned ,prices for quality props is at a premium as the demand is outstripping supply, and according to the boss, Danny ward wants to keep battye who has a year left on his contract, but the door isn’t closed.
Would love us to unearth a championship player of the bullock mould or the likes ,as with likely looking shrinking money pot from sky ,money as always will be at a premium for clubs like us ,and could do with unearthing a nugget or two in the lower leagues

Battye would be best purely because we know he fits in the team, that’s 95% of the battle. Any player who fits is worth way more than a superstar who doesn’t, it’s that simple.

Battye in no superstar he has some talent no doubt but he mainly ust grafts which I suppose in a way makes him a star.

As noted Battye is to be fair a cut above technically, good offload but in truth we don’t even need that although it would be nice. We just need an honest workhorse to fill in the gaps, average size, average ability but above average commitment. I’m certIn there are plenty of those kicking about. The fact that these guys wake up every morning and train then put their bodies on the line for a pittance in front of a few hundred people, tells me all I need to know.

Even if we are lucky and this prop is only used sparingly they still have the ability to put pressure on the incumbents. I think it was fairly obvious tha Fifita upped his game when it became clear Battye was usurping him as the fans favourite. He’s worth every penny just for that alone.

Are all our overseas players back here in training?

I’m not aware if anyone went home due to the quarantine rules here and overseas, MC did say that, Mason Lino was due to land in the U.K. December 31st (tomorrow). I think he might have to self isolate before joining the training sessions. First job is to get him some warm winter clothing. What a time to arrive in the U.K. I hope he settles ok, does anyone know if he arriving alone or with a partner/family?

That's really important you are right.
I hope he settles quickly and that we are putting every effort in to make him comfortable.

It's sometimes better when players come without family as they only have to worry about themselves settling and the boys can help but if you have a family, being away from them can be tough.
It's important to get it right.

Pretty sure he has a girlfriend but don’t know if she’s joining him.

There is a large number of Samoans in the SL and they seem to offer a very strong support network so I’m less concerned than if it were an Aussie or Kiwi. In a way he was already living abroad now he’s just a bit further abroad. Hopefully he’ll be fine.

How do you just ‘lose somebody’ ?

Very easy to say (or type) very hard to do in practice given fixed term contracts etc etc

Indeed. Apart from the fact I wouldn't lose them anyway as they are good cover which we have proved is badly needed in an impact sport like ours, you can't just end a contract because you are not keen anymore.

Feel sure Masons married with a small child. He deffo refers to bringing his family with him.

Yeah you might be right but he’ll be ok I’m sure.

I think he will be OK vastman. I don't do any of the social media stuff but he seems quite active on it.
Time will tell but all the indicators seem in the clubs favour

Just a saying in losing terms i mean say walker to london part of a battye deal and gigot somone one like toulose come in for him.i know we cant simply just offload players

So keep and we have plenty of cover for full back cos thats we have 4 as for good cover really seen nothing from either to say good cover.so lets go with 4 full backs and 4 props little unbalanced but keeps some happy.as for simply letting players go im fully aware you cant just do that but like i said other clubs may come in for these plsyers