I agree with what you are saying and understand your frustration, but for me it would be better to put him in later rather than sooner.
Obviously I dont know about his confidence - and I'm sure that he is! - But I personally wouldnt want my "developing" son in this team at the moment.
Cheers.

If you are referring to games this season then you are talking about the wrong twin. Louis Senior has played this year not Innes.

The day that any Super League coach takes into account the views of a disgruntled parent is the day to pack up and go. Suck it up. Of course you are biased (and therefore probably wrong) and posting those views on here, or imparting those feelings to your son is not helping his future career or attitude. It's a professional sport.

young players think that everyone can become a super league player it just doesn’t work like that, they must be prepared to work on their own, to continue to improve, to push their bodies to a place where they didn’t think they could go. Leave no stone unturned on their journey to the top, write his running times down the weights he is lifting, can he tackle better on one side and why, just set small goals and work on improving every aspect of his game and give him the best chance possible. The thing is all players are trained the same way these days and they all slip into that comfortable environment of doing what everyone else does at the club it’s simply not enough.

Our youngsters rarely seem to progress like others in particular wigan and saints its not that long since we were the strongest youth team and cain southernwood was going to be a class act but progression is always stalled as we dont give them a chance or even proper coaching to go to the next level and if we cant do so when there is no relegation risk this year it will be another batch that dont make it at the top level and again will have to rely on imports or loan signings

Thanks for the heads up Mal


Thank the lord for expertise like yours to put us clueless dads in our place

Probably because they cherry pick all the best youngsters from across the game. Ryan Hampshire is one good local example. Isn't Morgan Smithies from Halifax? I'll bet there are top Normy and Stanley lads on Wigan's books at present. Ditto Saints. Remember Alan Hunte?

I have no idea who Mal is? I reached the same level as your son at Wakefield Trinity and was selected for the First Team but had to withdraw through injury. Various circumstances dictated that I would never be selected again and therefore never achieved a heritage spot. I did however play with a lot of young lads/men who were brilliant at Colts and even A Team level but never really made it at First Team level at Wakefield Trinity. It can take a lot of hard work and sometimes patience (Terry Crook for example) to make it at First Team level. Most good juniors dont, unfortunately.

I don't think anyone doubts that.
But suggesting a dad is wrong to support his son 100%, no matter what, is just misguided and not understanding the situation at best

I never said he shouldnt support his son? I questioned the manner and the use of this public forum , which is visited by the CEO who takes a dim view of these types of comments.

Tough luck, not everybody believes the sun always shines out of his backside 24/7 and if he doesn’t like what is written on fans forums the maybe he shouldn’t visit them. And if he wants to continue reading them then maybe he’ll have to ‘suck it up’.

Most of us learned not to visit this forum a long time ago! I just thought I would give it one more chance

With regards to the CEO, in my 45 year association with Trin he is without a doubt the best person we have had running the club in that time, and I think most real 'supporters' recognise that. He doesnt suffer fools though. Maybe that's why you struggle with him? May I take this opportunity to wish Innes well in his time at the club and I hope it all works out for all the young lads whos parents frequent this forum. If it doesn't, life goes on, it did for me

Not sure why you think i have a problem with him, it’s just i’m not as sycophantic towards him like some. If you’ve followed the club for 45 years then you should know by now to question everything, only an idiot wouldn’t. You seem happy not to though.....Carter has done well during his tenure given where we were at. Is he the best? Difficult to say until his time with the club is finished but as for the competition the bar hasn’t exactly been set high has it?! And for what it’s worth like you i too recently decided to give this forum one last try. Probably a mistake.

Well having plenty of one to one conversations with MC on a regular basis, he knows me quite well, as a chairman of one of Trinity's ambassador clubs, a player in the PDRL team and joint assistant manager of both the PDRL & LDRL teams I have a pretty good understanding as to how RL works in the real world right now and don't base my knowledge on 45 year old memories


BTW "Mal" is reference to a rugby league legend, I thought anyone with such high rugby knowledge as yourself would have picked up on that

I know who Mal Reilly is. I've met him a few times. Thanks for your up to date advice Michael. As I say, I wish your son well. I hope he appreciates your 'support'.

But the CEO is OK with your comments?
He's discussing a subject raised by someone else. Leave him to do that.

FT leave it alone now. You are both randomly taking the others post out of context and weirdly SC now switching it to Carter.
The thread is about Innes Senior. Let's leave it that way.

Cas have finished bottom two last two years in academy

Apologies for trying to add some balance to the negative clique that now control this forum. I'll move on again, as has Michael Carter already, I believe.

Don’t why MC has been brought into it AGAIN. I imagine the only control he’d have on a signing is the money. Other than that, it’s all Chester.

See ya then.

That’s a different issue. Not every batch works that is the nature of youth RL. They pay more money than we do. It’s not as though I’m not echoing what the club often states.

Academy RL is not about league position and never has been, it’s about spotting individuals. We won the Academy about 12 years ago and they were a really good team but none really made it. People will argue as to who’s fault it was but truth is quality will nearly always get through.

On the other hand Johnstone, Crowther, Jowitt and Batchelor all came through via some very unremarkable youth teams.

Fact is Cas, Leeds and you lot snap up what appear to be the best 15+ year olds at the time and we don’t. Luckily though that’s no guarantee of success. What remains true though is that those young men are physically ahead and that issue generally doesn’t resolve itself until most players are 21+. Hence why I think our juniors are generally not ready for first team as quick as those from some other clubs.

It’s just an opinion I can’t back it up with data I just suspect I’m right.

99% of the best 15 year olds in the region are monitored by us and are approached by us when the scholarship time arrives but they are obviously also monitored by other clubs even ones on the dark side of the Pennines. We do our utmost to get the best we can but most choose the glamorous clubs and often are got by shall I say,not following recruiting procedures which we cannot match . The good lads we do get have over the past few years have been cracking players. This pandemic as knocked clubs back massively especially this years recruitment and the scholarship and reserve grades not being played so youth coaches need big wraps to get it back on track in the future.

Apart from Milner and Clarke who was last one to come through at cas and be a regular? You can’t say true man as they took him from bulls

Oli Holmes