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| Wow. Thought that was going very much the other way.
Well done all involved. It's a small step but a good step all the same. Sounds like we have some backers for a change.
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| Quote ="LyndsayGill"Glad it's been refused but is it a Pyrrhic Victory as we still have nothing to show from Yorkcourt.'"
And highly likely never will. Whilst good i'd say it's less a case of we won but more that they lost. And they will no doubt appeal.
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| 'Angry shouts from public gallery as Kevin Winter says "frustration over community stadium," can't be used as a reason. Warns that appeal from developers may succeed if committee doesn't come up with legally sound reasons'
Nice to hear the cretins are getting their back up that they can't have it entirely their way.
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| Yep, developer will appeal, council won't defend itself citing cost but look to have 'fought' for the stadium to save face. Yorkcourt get permission to build warehousing and stick another two fingers up at the public.
Did the trust get to speak?
Also, does this now mean there is no good news around the corner?
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| Quote ="Jizzer"'Angry shouts from public gallery as Kevin Winter says "frustration over community stadium," can't be used as a reason. Warns that appeal from developers may succeed if committee doesn't come up with legally sound reasons'
Nice to hear the cretins are getting their back up that they can't have it entirely their way.'"
One good thing with all this is that NOBODY can deny knowledge of the community stadium being linked to the release of land for development, which certain councillors hid behind last time round.
I dont know if there is a way for the council to say than not a stone can be laid at Newmarket until there is absolute commitment to build the stadium.
Well done to those who again have given their time and effort on this one, the struggle continues
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| Slightly happy!
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| Quote ="TRB"Slightly happy!
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Really pleased for you. Not many in the public gallery, but made ourselves heard with applause at statements made in our favour. Councillors Swift and Scott were robust in their questioning.
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| I would of blown a fuse if I'd of been there, well done to all that was but were still in the same position as before with YC being as stubborn as a mule with no give
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| is it wrong for me to think that the so said good news was news about progress to the stadium and not the opposition to york courts application so while I'm happy to hear that there's a delay on it we are still no further to securing the start.
why would box claim such a statement again I feel let down with him again
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Yep, developer will appeal, council won't defend itself citing cost but look to have 'fought' for the stadium to save face. Yorkcourt get permission to build warehousing and stick another two fingers up at the public.
Did the trust get to speak?
Also, does this now mean there is no good news around the corner?'"
Yes, but I only had 2 minutes. TRB spoke on behalf of SWAG and Mary Creagh spoke.
We must have done okay because I did not expect anything other than an approval.
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| How does this effect the rumoured Belle Vue development? Will the rumoured good news be announced soon.
Up the Trin
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Yes, but I only had 2 minutes. TRB spoke on behalf of SWAG and Mary Creagh spoke.
We must have done okay because I did not expect anything other than an approval.'"
Good stuff. No doubt it will have helped particularly with Piatt's stance, this after accepting SWAG's support and the goodwill of the fans and general wakefield public. I also expected an approval but I know councils can't often afford to defend the case when it's taken to appeal.
I guess yourself or Phil will know whether the 'good news' was linked to a positive judgement on this application?
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| Quote ="Jizzer"'Angry shouts from public gallery as Kevin Winter says "frustration over community stadium," can't be used as a reason. Warns that appeal from developers may succeed if committee doesn't come up with legally sound reasons'
Nice to hear the cretins are getting their back up that they can't have it entirely their way.'"
I wonder if this is the same person that gave the Council the previous *in house* legal advice that the Council could not provide evidence of, when the stadium trust requested.
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"I wonder if this is the same person that gave the Council the previous *in house* legal advice that the Council could not provide evidence of, when the stadium trust requested.'"
I wondered the same, no mention of any proof/details regarding this advice still (going by the Twitter feed anyway)
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| Sorry guys, I still don't get it.
Surely a better result for us would have been approved subject to a new watertight s106 agreement??? Could the planning committee have done that? Or are Yorkcourt now saying that s106 agreements are not legally enforceable and therefore there would be no point?
I get that it is good news in that YC don't get to make more profit and not contribute anything, but it doesn't help WT in getting a stadium does it? Or am I missing something?
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| Quote ="Fordy"Sorry guys, I still don't get it.
Surely a better result for us would have been approved subject to a new watertight s106 agreement??? Could the planning committee have done that? Or are Yorkcourt now saying that s106 agreements are not legally enforceable and therefore there would be no point?
I get that it is good news in that YC don't get to make more profit and not contribute anything, but it doesn't help WT in getting a stadium does it? Or am I missing something?'"
I don't get it either Fordy but I have come to this conclusion - Yorkcourt have absolutely no intention of providing a stadium and never did have. They cheated and deceived and are still doing it. Anything that hinders their progress at doing the same can only be applauded.
If I had the money I'd personally pay to fight their appeal . I sincerely hope they go bust somewhere along the line. Capitalist scum!
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| So ,who's going to pay for the stadium redevelopment, the council? and yc just walk away with out paying 1p
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| Quote ="cosmicat"So ,who's going to pay for the stadium redevelopment, the council? and yc just walk away with out paying 1p'"
It's quite clear YC are nit going to stump up so it's either the council or the club through a council guaranteed loan, or nobody at all so no redevelopment.
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| Whats the cost of a new stadium? Genuinely no idea
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| Quote ="cosmicat"Whats the cost of a new stadium? Genuinely no idea'"
Only from previous information, minimum cost for a.new build stadium, would be one million pounds per thousand spectators. Therefore a ten thousand capacity stadium would cost a minimum of ten million.
Thank you.
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| Who are they appealing to the S O S if so that'll be an interesting meeting.
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| Quote ="Fordy"Sorry guys, I still don't get it.
Surely a better result for us would have been approved subject to a new watertight s106 agreement??? Could the planning committee have done that? Or are Yorkcourt now saying that s106 agreements are not legally enforceable and therefore there would be no point?
I get that it is good news in that YC don't get to make more profit and not contribute anything, but it doesn't help WT in getting a stadium does it? Or am I missing something?'"
But the applicant made it clear that he does not have any legal obligation to make any contributions whatsoever to the stadium and the Council Officers agreed and recommended approval.
We argued that promises were made at a Public Inquiry that should be kept and the applicant should not be allowed to renage on these promises by trying to exploit what he sees as a possible loophole in the law and the Committee agreed with us.
One of the members summed Newmarket up perfectly as a complete mess. It is a mess and very complicated legally and it may need a High Court Judge to unravel the mess which the Trust would welcome.
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| Quote ="poplar cats alive"Who are they appealing to the S O S if so that'll be an interesting meeting.'"
The decision was “mindful to refuse”. The Councils Solicitor said there was no legal grounds to refuse and the applicant would win on appeal but the Members thankfully would not change their decision.
If it goes to appeal it goes to the Planning Inspectorate, the very people who the applicant promised to build a stadium so it would be interesting.
The Council will try to get members to vote it through on the back of the costs if they were to lose on appeal but we made the point if it’s approved we may legally challenge the decision.
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| So The "Good news "is what ?
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| I believe the good news is that Colin Mackie (Yorkcourt) got a bloody nose today and although Box will no doubt offer him a handkerchief, he needs to have further investigations by the very body he promised he would build a stadium to all those years ago !!
The fight goes on !!
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