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| Quote ="BOJ042"bell Vue is fit for the championship - the way we are going we wont need to move or get a new stadium.....'"
I suppose you'd know all about this visiting it on a regular basis
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| Quote ="steadygetyerboots-on"I can believe that. The same thing has happened with the football & rugby pitches next to Castleford swimming pool. Over several years the Council took down the posts, so kids stopped going, the council stopped cutting the grass & now the land is for sale ("suitable for development"icon_wink.gif.
I get that WMDC have had to make changes following incredible cuts in funding, but their record on sporting/leisure is appalling.'" slightly off track its not just sporting or leisure that is getting effected,
my local park has a beck that under passes a walk way and that had been blocked for some time, when the rain comes it filled and overflowed on to the path way making it very boggy and saturating the surrounding ground, it was only because of a phone call from me highlighting the dangers of high wind soggy ground and high trees did they clear the drains,
since then the beck is running freely but is bring debris again so it will block again, back on track Wreny park has a football field that gets marked out once then its left for the clubs to sort out, its left to over grow in the closed season for to be cut now and again, the rest of the park used to cut regular not now its left to be call meadow land part of that meadow land used to have kids playing football and goals would be fetch in, not any more as drainage from the beck soon buggered that up.
The council will only do what it has to do and will close a blind eye until someone threatens them with legal action
If anyone want to test that out, call the council and tell them that you have slipped on the metal bridge and near fell in the steam, they own the bridge as in the park and it should have a kick strip of 100 mm but there is nothing there, they could be sued
I do not expect the council to even entertain looking at a stadium, but we could draw some picture and dream
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| Quote ="BOJ042"bell Vue is fit for the championship - the way we are going we wont need to move or get a new stadium.....'"
When was the last time you were at Belle Vue?
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| Quote ="BOJ042"17 years ago.'"
Bet you was behind the sticks at the John Smiths yesterday though
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| Quote ="BOJ042"17 years ago.'"
So on what are you basing your opinion that it is not fit for purpose.
Clearly I'm not saying it is great by a loooong way, but you seem adamant that it is championship level yet haven't experienced it yourself.
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| Oh dear oh dear BOJO42. We have had a series of narrow defeats to the best teams and now we are sure for the drop. I don't know if you noticed but there's 5 teams below us. I actually think you are just a wind up merchant. There's never anything positive. If we were top of the league you'd find something to have a go about and you live on the other side of the world! 17 years lol
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| Quote ="charlie63wildcat" you live on the other side of the world! 17 years lol'" TBF it's the other side of the common which is kinda in another world
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| Manni has again been putting cryptic messages on twitter last couple of days.
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| Quote ="wakeytrin"Manni has again been putting cryptic messages on twitter last couple of days.'"
What's his Twitter username? When I looked, the account of the owner of 88M has no tweets and 17 followers (could be a fake account).
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| Better still, just post it up
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"What's his Twitter username? When I looked, the account of the owner of 88M has no tweets and 17 followers (could be a fake account).'"
@manniboss88
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| He tweeted 5 mins ago “make more moves and less announcements” or words to that effect
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| Isn’t that an announcement??!
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| Quote ="Daddycool"Isn’t that an announcement??!'"
Yes I suppose it is. I don’t think he realises in Yorkshire it is best to get straight to the point, all this cryptic tweeting with no apparent sign of progress just gets people’s backs up
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| Morning everyone, first post on the forum but been reading it for years.
Main reason for joining is i decided to email Wakefield Council about the stadium and wanted to share their response but I just want to make sure im not breaking any forum rules by doing so?
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Yes I suppose it is. I don’t think he realises in Yorkshire it is best to get straight to the point, all this cryptic tweeting with no apparent sign of progress just gets people’s backs up'"
The way he keeps tweeting these little snippets of "wisdom" suggests that's exactly what he's trying to do. A few people have asked him to back up his "tweets" but he choses not to, make of that what you will.
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| The ones before that sound like digs at the club. "At some point there is no excuse. You either want to do everything to make it happen or you don't" and "You can't rush something you want to last forever" and "Even miracles take a little time"
He does realise that we have been stalled to a dead-end once before, and the RFL are less patient than he is?
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| Quote ="Droopy"Morning everyone, first post on the forum but been reading it for years.
Main reason for joining is i decided to email Wakefield Council about the stadium and wanted to share their response but I just want to make sure im not breaking any forum rules by doing so?'"
I can't see anything in the AUP that would prevent you doing that (other than making sure any personal details are removed).
Others, including myself have shared responses from WMDC and Councillors in the past.
I'd certainly be interested in seeing your letter and the response.
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| Make LESS announcements?
is that even possible
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| Thanks Fordy.
My email to them was quite lengthy with loads of quotes from Council press releases etc so i wont bother posting that but i raised some key questions which are included in their response below:
"Thank you for your recent communication regarding a community stadium. As the Service Director with responsibility for Sport I am responding on behalf of Members that you have also emailed.
In relation to your questions I can confirm that
1.How is the Council ensuring this project progresses as quickly as you have stated in your press releases?
Officers of the Council have undertaken some initial work on the potential requirements to enable delivery of a community stadium, including specifications and footprint required, high level assessment of capital and operating costs, independent valuation of land holdings at Belle Vue and consideration of potential funding opportunities this includes funding from Newmarket Development. Further work is ongoing on detailed viability analysis including economic viability and outline business plan and undertaking sequential assessment on the site options to aid the Trust in its decision making. Given the ongoing and potential involvement of the Council in this project, it is in the process of establishing a new charitable trust which will be tasked with delivering this project and becoming the long lease holder of a new community stadium. I am sure that you will appreciate that a new community stadium that will be managed and operated by a Trust which will be home to anchor tenants has to be sustainable as a community stadium and run in accordance with the Charity’s Commission requirements.
2. Have Wakefield Council been in contact with Michael Carter in relation to the project since last year?
The Council has been in dialogue with Wakefield and District Community Trust of which Michael Carter is a Trustee in addition to this there has been electronic communication with the owner of Wakefield Trinity.
3. Given the obvious and publicly stated support of the proposals, what are Wakefield Council doing to push 88m and the project forward? The Council has been in dialogue with relevant land/property owners to explore options to purchase/lease of land/buildings capable of hosting the community stadium and on what terms and conditions this could be facilitated."
To me this reads as generic rubbish and next to nothing has been done since the proposals were made public in August last year. I wonder how much work was undertaken before the plans were released if they are still working on footprints and funding. I find it unbelievable/confusing that they state they haven't even got an agreement over the land with 88m yet.
I replied to this email last week and still await a response.
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| , it is in the process of establishing a new charitable trust which will be tasked with delivering this project and becoming the long lease holder of a new community stadium.
I hope you asked why they deemed it necessary to do this, when MANY years ago they THEMSELVES set up a trust to deliver a new community stadium..
What a bunch of........
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| Quote ="Droopy"Thanks Fordy.
My email to them was quite lengthy with loads of quotes from Council press releases etc so i wont bother posting that but i raised some key questions which are included in their response below:
"Thank you for your recent communication regarding a community stadium. As the Service Director with responsibility for Sport I am responding on behalf of Members that you have also emailed.
In relation to your questions I can confirm that
1.How is the Council ensuring this project progresses as quickly as you have stated in your press releases?
Officers of the Council have undertaken some initial work on the potential requirements to enable delivery of a community stadium, including specifications and footprint required, high level assessment of capital and operating costs, independent valuation of land holdings at Belle Vue and consideration of potential funding opportunities this includes funding from Newmarket Development. Further work is ongoing on detailed viability analysis including economic viability and outline business plan and undertaking sequential assessment on the site options to aid the Trust in its decision making. Given the ongoing and potential involvement of the Council in this project, it is in the process of establishing a new charitable trust which will be tasked with delivering this project and becoming the long lease holder of a new community stadium. I am sure that you will appreciate that a new community stadium that will be managed and operated by a Trust which will be home to anchor tenants has to be sustainable as a community stadium and run in accordance with the Charity’s Commission requirements.
2. Have Wakefield Council been in contact with Michael Carter in relation to the project since last year?
The Council has been in dialogue with Wakefield and District Community Trust of which Michael Carter is a Trustee in addition to this there has been electronic communication with the owner of Wakefield Trinity.
3. Given the obvious and publicly stated support of the proposals, what are Wakefield Council doing to push 88m and the project forward? The Council has been in dialogue with relevant land/property owners to explore options to purchase/lease of land/buildings capable of hosting the community stadium and on what terms and conditions this could be facilitated."
To me this reads as generic rubbish and next to nothing has been done since the proposals were made public in August last year. I wonder how much work was undertaken before the plans were released if they are still working on footprints and funding. I find it unbelievable/confusing that they state they haven't even got an agreement over the land with 88m yet.
I replied to this email last week and still await a response.'"
I've sent numerous emails to my local councillors and WMDC and they have always shown me the discourtesy of NEVER replying. Response you received sounds like a lot of waffle as you would expect from our disinterested council.
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| "it is in the process of establishing a new charitable trust which will be tasked with delivering this project and becoming the long lease holder of a new community stadium. I am sure that you will appreciate that a new community stadium that will be managed and operated by a Trust which will be home to anchor tenants has to be sustainable as a community stadium"
That's the key to it all, I guess. They will work with Rodney's new Trust only, not yet established, and will charge full market rent, as determined by Rodney's Trust. Easy to set out terms that they know one party won't agree to, thus enabling them to blame that party. Now, remind me, how's that green belt land at Newmarket looking these days?
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