I entirely agree with you on a point of principle, but if that's the only way to get the stadium, that must trump the point of principle. I suppose the issue is how fundamental the differences are, if any. If it's not economically viable, then that's a different thing altogether, and other options have to be considered. If it turns out to be economically viable but just not quite as much so, then we're over a barrel, I guess. Given that not much honour has been shown by the other parties to this, a little more dishonour is just in keeping.

We'll know by the end of the regular season, if someone tells us anything. The one thing I do know, from the comprehensive statement on this thread and the heartfelt one from the club, we'll find out the truth eventually.

I don't agree Slugger. If the only way to get a stadium is to agree to a 'site unseen' agreement it vantage be good for the club.
The only reason to keep something a secret is if you feel someone will take advantage of the info or if they won't like it and you don't want them to call you out on it.

If Sir Rodney is all above board, and I've no reason to doubt it, bring it all out in the open.

I have to agree here with the caveat of it depending on what the terms are of course. It has to work for the club as well as the developer and it is in the developers interest to ensure we are a viable concern if they want the stadium to make money. Price us out of it and the club goes pop, they are stuck with a large problem on their hands. But the club are going to back down to some degree as quite simply it won't get built otherwise. Yes in principle that is wrong but it is the harsh reality of where we are at. Yorkcourt can't afford to build it at the previously agreed terms, i doubt they ever could. Remember they originally wanted 100m2 as the trigger point, i imagine they went along with 60m2 fully intending to throw in the 40 m2 Newcold build outside the allowance once it was reduced. Hey presto there is the 100m2. If the trust/club won't budge at all whatever the offer is then we better get used to playing at Dewsbury, ultimately in the championship, until the club is no more. A halfway house HAS to be found.

Aren't the only issues these:
1. How many will it hold?
2. How much is the rent?
3. Who pays for upkeep?
4. How many catering and hospitality outlets are there?
5. Who pays for the rent or running of those outlets?
6. What is the profit-share for the tenant from those outlets?

From that, I assume you can work out a business projection. It may be that the answers to 2, 5 and 6 may not be what was envisaged by the original Trust, but once you take the heat out of the debate it would surely be possible to determine whether there is the potential to run a viable and growing club from those figures.

If, of course, anyone outside the club had the desire to make money out of this business proposition, beyond what was originally intended, they could hardly be said to have the club's interests at heart, purely their own. We'll find out soon, hopefully, where peoples' interests lie.

Have no opinion whatsoever or axe to grind re: Rodney Walker , but didn't he pay off a six figure tax liability for the club during the reign of Ted ?

Well the thing is in recentish history, we have been usually on the verge of another financial disaster and complete meltdown, through various chairmen making ill judged and downright bad decisions, and maybe a bit of bad luck and the RFL being ridiculous along the way. It's hurting more now because finally we seemed to have turned the corner both on and off the field, and have rightly, optimism especially on the field that may achieve relative success over the next few years......if only we had a ground to play in!!

The thing that can't be argued against is, that Belle Vue has been falling to pieces for the last, 20, 30, maybe 40 years, take your pick. We are now in 2017 and still no shiny new stadium. How many have been built in the UK in that time?! It's not pie in the sky for the biggest city in the UK without a pro football team to get a say 12,000 capacity stadium is it?!! Is it really asking that much, is there that much red tape to get through, how have these other stadiums got off the ground, no lessons to be learned form them?! Previous chairmen and politicians should hang their heads in shame.

It depends how far back you go, but it would not be unreasonable to say every single Super League club except us and Cas (exempting Headingley as it has been revamped).

Well yeah there you go! Which brings me back to my original post about Mr. Walker making 'false' promises in the early 90's, when over at Wigan, his good mate Maurice Lindsay actually delivered a new stadium. I'm just not sure about Rodney Walkers' 'involvement' in certain things over the years, I hear now he's the head of basketball in this country?! You only have to go on his wiki page to see the heights he's risen to, but i'm not sure his motives are completely honourable shall we say......but who knows.

Yes Beagle, I believe he did, but I think the agreement was a loan to the club, to be paid back.

Still though, regardless of this, I wouldnt consider him as the knight in shining armour and would be very careful

anyway back on track, I personally think they are at it again stalling for a means for their own self profit, for Walker to think he can start a fresh is unbelievable

Well a decent and important thread ruined. Well done all

Very difficult to trust RW if its true about his recent escapades. What I find really unbelievable is that they don't want to deal with MC! He owns the club, how will that work. I really worry that this is just another smokescreen to delay and frustrate and eventually kill our club.

Just what are his motives ???
First of all he sides with Yorkcourt and Box in removing Newcold from the 60,000m2 target, now he jumps ship completely and sides with them again, shunning MC, CB and the club !!!
What is he up to ???

i just don't get it. just wht does R W get out of it. if it all goes ttt up he would go down in local history for all the wrong reasons

All I can think is, he must be so sure he can get it done this time round; otherwise he is going to look like a very very silly man. As if he hasn't got enough enemies to start with, without vexing off Trinity management, Trust and supporters for a second time.

If I'm sat in a shiny new stadium in 2019 shouting as Tom Johnstone does another full lengther then I'll be a happy man regardless of how it got built, and all this will be forgotten.

Can anyone say if meetings are planed between the club/trust/council before end of july.It must be a worry for MC and CB,let face it they have done alot for the club.

Sir Rodney will look very silly if he fails again the second time around! How does he hope to succeed without working with the owners of the main anchor tenants?

I know we all just want a new stadium
I want a new stadium so bad, but not to the extent that I am blind to the blatantly obvious.

Ok. I did my best. Some of those that have gone weren't a problem but commented on the others so didn't fit any more. Nothing regarding the thread title has been taken away.

I also don't see how we can trust the people that have stalled the building of this stadium for years and years and now suddenly they want to have it built by next year! Leaving the people who want it building more than anything behind!! It's a crazy world...

A cracking piece of in depth journalism in today's Wakefield Express ....not.

I was thinking the same - RW does everything in his power to sabotage, undermine and spoil the process, works against the club owners and the Trust, then colludes with the developer to make himself the white knight; and people seem quite happy to accept this, for the sake of it being built - regardless of the cost.

Unbloodybelievable!

But the alternative is no stadium. It's not right, but let's see what the white knight delivers and at what cost before we march with flaming torches.

I think the time for waiting to see what happens has been and gone a long while ago. He's had 7 years to make things happen and so far we've seen jack-all.

I really am struggling to understand why you think he can suddenly do something different????