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| Quote ="bren2k"But in that circumstance, you will often see the defender raise his arms and not attempt to affect the tackle - result - play on. For it to be the same - the attacker would have to run at the defender, then throw himself to the floor like a wendyball player, pretending that the defender has tackled him and thus, drawing the penalty.
It seems fairly straightforward to me - if the defender is clearly not impeding play and the ahb chucks the ball at him deliberately to draw the penalty - he should be penalised; and yes, I'd advocate that for all teams - including my own - because it's a cheap and grubby tactic that doesn't fit in RL.'"
but for me, he was impeding play. houghton wouldve had to do a looping pass or take a extra step to get round the player to get the ball away which wouldve resulted in a slower play.
the defender is supposed to roll away from the ruck which he didnt. he stayed near the ruck where the ball was played.
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| Having watched the highlights I think the ref got all the main decisions right. The only one he didn't was the high shot by Kelly on Ashurst but he was the wrong side of that to see it so needed some help from the linesman.
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| Quote ="4foxsake"Maybe before we go for the two refs approach we should actually get the touch judges and in goal referees to earn their corn rather than prance up and down the touch line ignorant of what's actually happening on the field.'"
Agreed - and I've been saying this for a while; the touch judges in particular are a waste of space. They are in prime position to help the ref with off-side and forward pass decisions, but rarely intervene - one or two will, or if a ref is running the line they'll get involved, but as a rule, they're not helping the ref at all.
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| You could end up with the game littered with penalty kicks that either get you out of your own half or result in 2 points. It's a shambles that needs to be sorted.
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| Merging "Right to milk" with "Unsporting conduct" one
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| It's all about interpretation, yep Wakey were on the end of some discretionary decisions but we were winning until a dropped ball cost us.
We played the majority of the game with 3 subs.
Leigh got away with it and Hull got away with it, if the boot was on the other foot, it would have been a master stroke in beating a top 4 side.
Again, time to move on and build on that there were much more positives than negatives to take out of Sunday.
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| Quote ="Offy"but for me, he was impeding play. houghton wouldve had to do a looping pass or take a extra step to get round the player to get the ball away which wouldve resulted in a slower play.
the defender is supposed to roll away from the ruck which he didnt. he stayed near the ruck where the ball was played.'"
Your very own Gareth Ellis, Hull FC captain and 30+ capped GB & England international disagrees with you - he said he doesn't like to see it and it wants clamping down on?
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"Your very own Gareth Ellis, Hull FC captain and 30+ capped GB & England international disagrees with you - he said he doesn't like to see it and it wants clamping down on?'"
just because he doesnt like to see it doesnt mean its wrong...does it?
i dont like to see players flapping around like a fish out of water trying to milk a penalty, but it doesnt mean its wrong to do so
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| It does mean it is wrong to do so yes. That is unsportsman like behaviour.
However the point does stand that Hull got the penalty because he was blocking the ruck. The fact that Houghton threw the ball at him was simply a way to draw attention to it. He dhouldnt have to do that. Ref should have known.
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| Quote ="Offy"just because he doesnt like to see it doesnt mean its wrong...does it?
i dont like to see players flapping around like a fish out of water trying to milk a penalty, but it doesnt mean its wrong to do so'"
You mean like Sneyd flapping his arms at every tackle, looking for penalties to execute the game plan they had. It's a wonder he didn't take off. And before you say it, yes, our players do it as well. Another instance of wendyball behaviour creeping into our game.
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| Quote ="LyndsayGill"You mean like Sneyd flapping his arms at every tackle, looking for penalties to execute the game plan they had. It's a wonder he didn't take off. And before you say it, yes, our players do it as well. Another instance of wendyball behaviour creeping into our game.'"
yes, exactly like that. not just singling out sneyd, a lot of players do it
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| Quote ="PopTart"It does mean it is wrong to do so yes. That is unsportsman like behaviour.
However the point does stand that Hull got the penalty because he was blocking the ruck. The fact that Houghton threw the ball at him was simply a way to draw attention to it. He shouldnt have to do that. Ref should have known.'"
well then we could have this discussion every week about every game on most decisions, seen as it goes on constantly.
would the ref have seen/and given the penalty? we will never know, as it was only given when the ball was passed into the wakefield player.
i'm not disagreeing with you. i don't like to see unsporting behaviour. but in the laws of the game, as it stands, its not wrong, otherwise it would be penalised.
anyway, good luck for the rest of the season. i think you will go pretty good this season. you seem to have a strong squad
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| Salford are at it now. A Hudds player on the ground and Salford threw the ball at him.
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| Quote ="wakeytrin"Salford are at it now. A Hudds player on the ground and Salford threw the ball at him.'"
And the player was infront of him! Complete joke no wonder the games losing fans :
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| So Salford player throws ball forward at Huddersfield player on floor at play the ball it must go down as a forward pass
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| Utter joke.
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| He should have been sinbinned for that. A deliberate knock on. A professional foul. Child bottled it.
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| Just like Houghton on Sunday.
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| did you notice Huddersfield had the chance to do the same but chose not to, Jones would off got a yellow from me
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| Quote ="snowie"did you notice Huddersfield had the chance to do the same but chose not to, Jones would off got a yellow from me'"
I saw that, and after what had happened earlier, I admired them for it. Had Jones been binned last night it would have nipped it in the bud for the rest of the season.
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| That was absolutely ridiculous last night. Surely the first offence is a forward pass from Jones? From the clip I've seen Brough is lying next to the ruck so not obstructing play. Jones should have been binned.
Only switched on for the 2nd half last night and players seemed to be making an effort to clear the ruck and not be caught in the way. Could have just been coincidence though
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| Quote ="snowie"did you notice Huddersfield had the chance to do the same but chose not to, Jones would off got a yellow from me'"
With the scores being fairly tight through most of the game, perhaps if Hudds got the chance in an easily kickable position they might have done the same.
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| Well the ref this evening was very lenient with what went on around the ruck. Maybe they should be more lenient with SL games.
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