Give him a go in the centres this weekend.
We should be looking to try and batter Wigan about in the first 20 mins.
Let's see how much last weeks game and the travel has taken out of them.

Walshaw to be given speed drills and stamina training and he will be a useful centre! The answer is YES FOR ME

Oh if it was so easy.

there's more to centre than size and speed.

what our team really lacks is brains

I can see what your getting at but I think we do have some decent rugby brains in the team, Sykes and Washbrook spring to mind.

I would also like to think Sammut,Godinet and Mcshane have good rugby brains.

I don't think its size or brains that we are lacking, just composure.

The sooner we realise we don't have to score off every set the better.

Frustrating isn't it? The second half at Salford, we built some good pressure and forced several repeat sets - I thought we'd finally got the clue - then it all went to pot against Bradford and the hail mary stuff started again.

I find it most frustrating when we are 14 points up and playing catch up rugby as if we were 20 points down.

You're wrong there, Wallshaw wouldn't look bad in the centres. His supposed lack of speed would be compensated by his bulg and good defines. He played in the centres last year and had a blinder.

Whether his position is centre long term who know, but I suspect as a player he's now pretty much ruined.

I think you have inadvertently proved my point

I think Sykes has a very good rugby brain though and it is his limited abilities that mean he isn't better than he is.

If you put mixed sykes brain with sammuts talent and ability you would have a fantstic half.

not sure I agree but that's fine - even if he does have a good brain I think he rarely shows it on the field and in general it seems he has very little influence over the direction of the team in any case.

One of the main brains in the team is probably Mathers but he doesn't have the heart to go with it and from what I have seen I think McShane reads the game really well.

This should be the point when experience takes over and the older heads should certainly know how to control the game.
Having said that, until we get off the mark with our first "W", the pressure will build and this is the cause of the majority of brain farts.
I'd certainly settle for an ugly 2 points, even if this means 5 drives and a kick, rather than looking for clever attacking plays.

I've tried my best vasty, but you're going to have another go at that one!

Let me guess - combination of a mobile device and fat fingers?!

try bulk and defence - also meant to add pacey winger on the outside - don't know what happened there.

Totally. He has already been loaned to death, an Agar non favourite...who had an outstanding game against Wigan after getting off the bus from the 2nd division.

I don't think he is a centre. He is a 2nd row forward who needs the same faith and commitment Agar gives Reece Lyne...my gut feeling is that Walshaw has the talent that some faith might bring out.

Nothing against the lad, but he's out of his depth in Super League. He's just a mobile tackle bag .I'm afraid.

your right vasty I too have probably given Luke an in justice in saying he's slow for a , he's acceleration form static is slow, given time to build speed in open play then his size and strength would come into his own.
I have the same problem with my lad who given space has the size and strength to open up any defence and takes some stopping. Luke definitely needs to come from a deep position to have any effect on the defence he needs to build up some speed

How much do we think % wise is on the player to make it right to the top?

If you are an outstanding junior (wherever you are) is it your clubs/coaches fault if you don't make it, or the player himself.....and how much blame to either?

We've seen a few go on to great things in the game and do very well.....the first 3 names that would come to anyone's mind would be....Ellis, Westwood, Brough.....

The first two were both exceptional players when they left us.....they left to better themselves in the game, as in winning things, and they were both successful in that.....did we hold them back, hinder them and prevent them being the players they became though? Broughy on the other hand still had issues first time he left....he undoubtedly had the talent, right from academy level....he had to go right round the houses though....including spells at Hull....Cas....us for a 2nd time and a drop to the Championship.....the last couple of seasons he's been great though......where is the blame apportioned to that it took him so long to be an established top quality Super League player?

Next there's the kind of players who looked excellent for us at academy level.....a few I can think of off the top of my head....Handforth.....Haughey.....Snitch.....Morton......Southernwood.....Cowling.....who left us and never quite kicked on and never came back and did any better than when they were with us......granted, the last 3 still have time on their side, but does anyone honestly see them back in Super League playing at a higher level than us?

Then there's the lads still at our club....Annakin, Walshaw, Wildie and Trout......will they get the chances and still have time to prosper for us.....it's still too early to write them off for me......2 of the 4 could go on to decent things.....2 could drop to the championship level like the last mentioned players......again though....how much onus is on those 4 players to knuckle down and fulfill the potential they showed at academy level and some of the promise they've shown when given the chance.....Agar has been criticised, but if these lads step up, come in and do the business week in week out then it will make it harder for him not to select them.....in all honesty though, have any of them given him that headache yet....and why not?

We've had an excellent record down the years with players not thought good enough for other teams but flourish in our colours and play their best stuff.....or players stuttering given a kickstart back to go on to greater things.....Look at Amor & Atkins for two fine examples of that......Amor an absolute beast, and any wakey fan who's watched him for the last 12-18 months knows that....but a coach who's coached Grand Final winning teams didnt think he was good enough yet Agar got the best out of him (despite the odd teething problem).....

Amor is the perfect example I was looking for.....at a great club, around great players under a coach who's won grand finals.....not thought good enough but comes to us....a lesser team, with lesser players and in many peoples eyes a lesser coach but still turns his own career round and will without doubt go on to do great things in the game....

So, back to Walshaw.....I think it's a bit disrespectful to Agar to suggest that he can't see what we all can in respect of the leg speed, turning as slow as a boat etc......there's got to be a large part of that down to the lad himself though....if you want to go on to be a top player in your chosen sport and there's areas where you need to improve then work your town halls off to get there....I still believe him and Annakin in particular could still do very well for us, just need to be patient and grab their chances with both hands when they come along....

Absolute nonsense - it's all Richard Agar's fault.

Excellent post 'upthecats'
Gareth moore can be added to that list.
It just seems to me we produce plenty of players, but for whatever reason the majority prove to be Championship level.
That has been the case for a number of years and cannot be the fault of Agar, who has remember , somehow to field /fashion a team to survive on limited resources.
Time is not on his side .
Relegation and he will be out of a job.

Think he would be better utilised as a second row. Can make hard yards when we are the brown stuff and then damage teams outwide when coming into the line. If he continues to put a bit of size on and works on his lines I can se him becoming an established first teamer. One thing that wont help is ten minutes per hame playing at prop.... over to you mr agar