I take you're point but can you define a "real fan" for me.

A few minor issues that need some work but other than that i agree.

I don't drink so from my own view its not an issue other than a loss of much needed dosh for the club but the walk ways are.

Well, for me, a real fan would stick with the club, channel their energy into supporting the 17 blokes who put on the red, white and blue, a real fan would not say "if so and so happens/does not happen I won't be getting a season ticket for next year".

Real fans? What people who have been going through thinner and thinner since god was a lad? They are real fans mate and true rugby fans, something that appears to be decline at Wakey. But these fans also go to enjoy themselves, they just manage it without getting =#FF0000EDIT up and signing derogetory songs about the opposition. Last night many fans didn't enjoy it and if that becomes the norm then they will walk away and that will hit the club harder than when the part-time, trouble causing
=#FF0000EDIT that seem to be the clubs target audience get fed up and go as well.

Al I consider myself a real fan- ie I have supported the team since 1961- and like you I don't need to get =#FF0000EDIT faced to enjoy the game and all that goes with it

The segregation from where I was sat looked to be policed ok ,run out of beer,get a grip.Must have a problem,but I suppose we need something to moan about after a great game.God....just listen to yourself.

Fair points, i think from other replies we all see "real fans" differently.

It's not the running out of beer that's the issue I have a problem with the lost revenue in what is one of our biggest earners.
This is are biggest opportunity of the season to make some £.
And we throw it away on/off the field.
Could have filled a few holes in are ship.
A conservative estimate of 50k lost.
They were people wanting to spend money and we couldn't take it off them.
I hope someone is held responsible for this?
Or maybe we didn't have enough to pay the supplier with our track record I don't think I'd be offering credit.
If I had to go down legal channels to get paid.

As we don't know each other I would say it is NOT clear that I have no idea about "access and egress".
Where I was stood you could get out and move around easily.

However, you compared the North stand to a night club. A nightclub is a confined space with limited exits and narrow walkways to get to them. Added to that an area that encourages drinking all night and plenty of electronic equipment around to start the potential fire in the first place and carpets to keep them going. The safety laws are completely different in that situation as I'm sure you know.

Apart from the people themselves and possibly the beer shed, there is little to burn in the north stand. In addition if there was a problem everyone could exit east, south and west (as they do at the end of every game)
The walkways should indeed be kept clear for emergency use, in or out, and I hope they do in future, but I disagree a safety inspection would not have closed that down imho.

on the subject of h&s, i too am a safety professional and there were definitely issues last night that needed to be addressed (stairwells left clear - this is often so that the first aiders can get to casualties easily etc), and there are also some improvements that need to be made that are not h&s related (beer queues).

*quick rant* - there are a lot of issues that are not h&s related but people label it as such so they are not questioned, many of these are just poor customer service. us h&s guys get a bad reputation for been jobsworths, when it is often not our fault!! sometimes it is over zealous insurance assessors!!! *rant over*

cracking atmosphere last night though.

Well said that man. My comparison with the night club was nothing to do with the bloody stand setting on fire it was to do with the ability of people and the emergency services having the ability to move in or out of the stand.

Well said that man. My comparison with the night club was nothing to do with the bloody stand setting on fire it was to do with the ability of people and the emergency services having the ability to move in or out of the stand.

A conservative estimate ???????

Go on then, where have you conservatively estimated that figure from ???????

Well I saved a tenner last night that would have gone behind the bar.

You do know the ordering of beer and the wet sales no longer comes into the club as revenue? It's outsourced to a 3rd party

We don't get the revenue from beer sales

What benefits do the club get from beer sales?

We get a set amount per month. So actual amounts sold doesnt alter that. However I do acknowledge that poor service has knock on effects

I did notice the quality of food has gone downhill!
Burgers especially!!
So we're giving it away!
No wonder were SKINT!!

Surely we get a percentage of the value of any additional sales over a set level? If we don't then it's a terrible deal

How are we giving it away?

How much a month is the deal worth?
No where near what can be generated by keeping it in house?
IMO
Its one of the few revenue streams we have.
That's giving it away for me!

Whatever the deal is, it will be worse than selling your own, however a regular annual income up front or a monthly income could be more useful to the club when we go a long time without a meaningful home game and no or little food and beverage income.
I would say it comes at some cost.

I'm not revealing that on here.
But we negotiated a sum based on what we had sold in previous seasons so that it was guaranteed. We probably lost out on last nights game but bear in mind that it was originally going to be on a cold day in spring. I doubt sales would have been very high that day.

Damned if we do. Damned if we don't.

Seems like the club made a sensible decision and without knowing the figures it would be stupid to make assumptions. There will be other days it'll be beneficial but we won't have people crowing about it on here. We're very much a glass empty set of fans again it seems!