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| Quote ="SBR"There is a specialised [iimpact[/i hooker on the bench.'"
and a specialised [istarting[/i hooker playing for Huddersfield tonight, who will then join back up with the squad until Sunday morning. |
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How is picking Scruton a farce?I think he's a cracking player. He might not be the flashiest of players, but he doesn't have graft and consistently puts in some good hits. I've always thought he has been very much over looked.
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| Quote ="Chorlton RL"How is picking Scruton a farce?I think he's a cracking player. He might not be the flashiest of players, but he doesn't have graft and consistently puts in some good hits. I've always thought he has been very much over looked.'"
..and he is named as 18th man so England are playing with only three props and a extra 2nd row. Therefore eligible to play for Bradford which is a co-incidence as they have an injury crisis.
What's the point of naming a new player then not featuring him? One of Graham / Peacock or Morley should have been named 18th man to give him an opportunity as we all pretty much agree those three are certain to travel at the end of the season. |
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That's a good point Wadski
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| Quote ="Fred Gee"Both need their heads testing.
Sinfield at hooker when there is a a specialised hooker on the bench ?
Widdop at full back yes he may have potential, yes he might be one for the future but to throw him straight in at FB shows a complete disregard to all young FB's in this country who have come through our systems..just because he plays for an Aussie team he must be good. Pathetic.
Scruton...farce
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Cannot agree with this.
Sinfield performed very well in the hooking role for England in the recent past, the hookers we play with all get murdered at the top level, there is no room for the scooting hooker in the modern international game, especially not from the start.
There is not 1 good English fullback, we are totally devoid of quality in that position. Widdop is playing in the best competition in the world and more than holding his own, added to this he has been one of the stand out players in the Toyota Cup against the best junior talent the Aussies have.
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Aaron Murphy has emerged as one of the best full backs in the English game.
jonh you will probably see him on Sunday.
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Quote ="jonh"Cannot agree with this.
There is not 1 good English fullback, we are totally devoid of quality in that position. Widdop is playing in the best competition in the world and more than holding his own, added to this he has been one of the stand out players in the Toyota Cup against the best junior talent the Aussies have.
Widdop is not in the team for any other reason than he is the best English fullback we currently have, and by some margin.'"
Absolutely ridiculous statement without any evidence to back it up. Widdop is an excellent prospect no doubt, but that's all he is a [iprospect loyality to the red white and blue, good  |
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| Quote ="jonh"After all that you come out with a statement like this which basically confirms the fact you think Widdop is a better player?! All that statement suggests is Widdop is the better player in your opinion, but Murphy could be as good as him if he was in the same system, so what is your problem?
The Aussies were the ones to hype him not the English. The English only took notice once he was named in the Toyota cup team of the year. Gus Gould was the one last week commenting on being a future Australian International.
While I agree he is not a first team regular he has come through as first reserve which with Billy Slater at 1, and 2 of the best centres in the game in the back line the 2 positions he specialises in is no minor achievement.
Widdop has pace, a step, great hands and creativity a good kicking game and a great defence. The stats you provide show he has more yards going forward per game than the best attacking player of his generation.
I do not agree stating it is arrogant to say I rate him as the best man for the job, in fact I think it is very naive to suggest he is not worth a spot off the back of him only playing 2 games of first grade. It has happened before and will happen again.
As I said he has come through a much tougher system, a much more pressured system and a far intenser system, he would be a 2 season first grade player at most SL clubs, is that not enough? If not players like Sam Tomkins and Kyle Eastmond need to sit out International selection for a couple more years prior to them justifying selection.
I would love to know who you think in the England backs would get near a spot in the Melbourne backs by the way?'"
I said nothing to confirm that I thought Widdop was a better a player. For sake of repeating myself I'll explain again. [size=150 Widdop has played 2 games, and that just isn't enough imo[/size to be selected for international rugby. He is playing in probably in the best Club team in the world. Its a lot easier to impress in that environment. Any potential weakness in his game has not been tested, we have not seen how he will perform in the face of adversity, how he will handle sustained pressure. There is a good chance that these are conditions he will be playing under come the autumn internationals.
In defense of Murphy, he has played a decent number of games in a very average team. The fact he has stood out in a poor team says a lot. He has had mini dips in form and shown he has the character to produce his 'A' game in the face of adversity.
U20 teams in both Oz and here are full of potential talented players. A lot of them never make the grade because they can't make the step up and play to that level consistently. especially in the face of adversity.
I'll go back to my point about Ryan Tandy (which you ignored). If a National League standard player can make the Storm first grade, then a lot of other players playing SL could. Given the right environment and opportunities it's amazing what you can get out of a player. |
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| Quote ="deeHell"I said nothing to confirm that I thought Widdop was a better a player. For sake of repeating myself I'll explain again.[size=150 Widdop has played 2 games, and that just isn't enough imo[/size to be selected for international rugby. He is playing in probably in the best Club team in the world. Its a lot easier to impress in that environment. Any potential weakness in his game has not been tested, we have not seen how he will perform in the face of adversity, how he will handle sustained pressure. There is a good chance that these are conditions he will be playing under come the autumn internationals.
In defense of Murphy, he has played a decent number of games in a very average team. The fact he has stood out in a poor team says a lot. He has had mini dips in form and shown he has the character to produce his 'A' game in the face of adversity.
U20 teams in both Oz and here are full of potential talented players. A lot of them never make the grade because they can't make the step up and play to that level consistently. especially in the face of adversity.
I'll go back to my point about Ryan Tandy (which you ignored). If a National League standard player can make the Storm first grade, then a lot of other players playing SL could. Given the right environment and opportunities it's amazing what you can get out of a player.'"
Yes you were clearly right Widdop did bugger all today was garbage and certainly did not deserve his shirt............oh hang on......... 
Excellent game, vision creativity pace, great hands the take and kick on again at pace for the Tomkins try was sublime as were a few of his passes especially the one that was called forward for the Hall try, which was not in a million years.
Regards Tandy by the way, i did not he was in contention for the best back line in the game, always thought he was a forward. Jeff Lima was signed from France now one of the best Props in the world at Melbourne just a point to make with how players improve in that system as well.
If you cannot admit the lad is by far the best option at 1 for England then you are too stubborn for your own good.
Had we a wealth of riches in that position I could understand your issue but we do not, and for all the doubters Widdop totally justified his selection and will have to do a lot wrong to not have that shirt for the next 10 years. |
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I went to the match in part to see what Widdop was like, since I had no idea at all. While I thought he was good, he was not really tested defensively, so I'm reserving judgment on him really. I was certainly impressed with his pace and sidestep; I can see the Billy Slater influence there. I'm glad he got the chance to play but I'd like to see him up against the Aussies before deciding whether he is good enough, in spite of the fact that we have virtually no options at all at fullback. |
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| First time i've seen Widdop and he really went well, just a shame eddie and steveo credited him with Tom Briscoes efforts and turned him into super man for the day, seems they don't know the players names  |
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"First time i've seen Widdop and he really went well, just a shame eddie and steveo credited him with Tom Briscoes efforts and turned him into super man for the day, seems they don't know the players names
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yes i agree , although if it had been the beeb ray would of been calling him Brian and constantly be giving his size n weight |
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I went to the match in part to see what Widdop was like, since I had no idea at all. While I thought he was good, he was not really tested defensively, so I'm reserving judgment on him really. I was certainly impressed with his pace and sidestep; I can see the Billy Slater influence there. I'm glad he got the chance to play but I'd like to see him up against the Aussies before deciding whether he is good enough, in spite of the fact that we have virtually no options at all at fullback.'"
I appreciate this, and in fairness the opposition was not up to anything near top standard, but in a team containing players like Burgess, Ellis, Morley etc I still feel he was the second best player on the field behind Sam Tomkins.
Even in previous games vs France and other poor opposition I have not seen a fullback have such a positive influence on the game.
He played very much like an NRL fullback linking in attack and acting as an extra half, something the teams with the newer Aussie coaches are doing to great effect and success. |
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| Quote ="MUTLEY CAT"yes i agree , although if it had been the beeb ray would of been calling him Brian and constantly be giving his size n weight'"
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| Quote ="MUTLEY CAT"yes i agree , although if it had been the beeb ray would of been calling him Brian and constantly be giving his size n weight'"
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| Quote ="jonh"Yes you were clearly right Widdop did bugger all today was garbage and certainly did not deserve his shirt............oh hang on.........
Excellent game, vision creativity pace, great hands the take and kick on again at pace for the Tomkins try was sublime as were a few of his passes especially the one that was called forward for the Hall try, which was not in a million years.
Regards Tandy by the way, i did not he was in contention for the best back line in the game, always thought he was a forward. Jeff Lima was signed from France now one of the best Props in the world at Melbourne just a point to make with how players improve in that system as well.
If you cannot admit the lad is by far the best option at 1 for England then you are too stubborn for your own good.
Had we a wealth of riches in that position I could understand your issue but we do not, and for all the doubters Widdop totally justified his selection and will have to do a lot wrong to not have that shirt for the next 10 years.'"
You just don't seem to understand my point at all. The lad has yet to be tested. We haven't seen what he's made of in the face of adversity. He was selected on the back off 2 games, which is just not enough imo. I feel like a broken record repeating myself. I suppose if I keep repeating myself eventually it will sink in! Of course he had a great game, but most SL full backs would of produced a convincing performance in that team. Come on, it was 54 margin win against one of the weakest french teams ever to grace us. The game was the equivalent to Leeds playing Blackpool in the CC the other month.
The hype continues, I just hope the lad doesn't go the same way as Penny and Westerman. |
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