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| Quote ="Wildmoggy"Well as re. changing the coach, we'll never know if that improves the players' performances with a new one, until it happens will we?! The performances mainly have been very similar, despite using most of the squad, and bringing in loan players, so what does that tell us? The coach can't seem to rectify the problems, or the majority of the squad aren't up to it consistently, too many past their best, not enough quality in the key positions? Therefore it would take a very good, experienced coach to turn this around without significant recruitment, which takes money for starters......so we pretty much are knackered whichever way you look at things!!
So i'm not sure there is an answer that's viable and attainable.'"
Don't disagree with any of that, I just wondered what everyone else thought.
Personally don't see a way out.
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| There’s not a successful sporting team in this world who doesn’t have a wealthy financial backer. For me, MC has cut his cloth accordingly to create financial stability for us, for that he’ll always have my respect, without him we would not be here. Unfortunately, he’s unwilling to plow anymore money into the club, and tbh I can’t blame him. After finding out how much Ken Davy had ploughed into Huddersfield with mediocre success it just shows success isn’t always guaranteed.
Newly promoted Leigh and us are the only teams in SL now that have never been in a major final in the last 25 years. With us more than likely going down this year, without a wealthy financial backer I can see that statistic going on for a further 25 years sadly. We all have ideas of how this should be sorted out, but without the financial clout we don’t stand a chance. The days of playing money ball with players like Paul Aiton, Timmy Smith, David Fifita etc from Aus are no more with the size of the Cap over there and poorer exchange rate. Sadly our recruitment and retention over the last 2 years has been atrocious, resulting in where we are now. I believe the board have had the best intentions, I mean why wouldn’t they, it’s not Ted Lasso, but it has fallen short of where we need to be and sadly the book stops with them. It would be really good to have a fan forum to see what therir plans are when we do go down, will we still be full time and what do we need in terms of crowds etc for this to be achieved.
Most fans I hope will still be there next year supporting us, but the club more than ever needs to communicate with the fans, because there simply wouldn’t be a club without our support, it’s a 2 way thing.
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| Quote ="BackSeatCoach"But that’s not our job is it?'"
No it isn't
Just looking for people's thoughts
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| I heard Cummins wasn't really that bothered anyway and was more involved / interested in his window cleaning business.
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| Ten out and four in was a clear signal of intent for this season.
Perhaps a new coach would sideline the wasters currently on holiday extracting the urine. If they can’t be paid off, set them aside or loan swap them. Maybe they are having an effect on morale? We don’t know, actually as stated, we don’t know anything as the club is in a non communicative mode and has been a while.
Sticking plaster management doesn’t work.
A morale booster is often a catalyst for improvement. Any suggestions welcome, just in case anyone reads this.
Deregister one and bring DF back for six games. Ok, I’m dreaming, perhaps I’ve been in the shower two years.
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| Quote ="Manuel"Ten out and four in was a clear signal of intent for this season.
Perhaps a new coach would sideline the wasters currently on holiday extracting the urine. If they can’t be paid off, set them aside or loan swap them. Maybe they are having an effect on morale? We don’t know, actually as stated, we don’t know anything as the club is in a non communicative mode and has been a while.
Sticking plaster management doesn’t work.
A morale booster is often a catalyst for improvement. Any suggestions welcome, just in case anyone reads this.
Deregister one and bring DF back for six games. Ok, I’m dreaming, perhaps I’ve been in the shower two years.'"
As you say you don't know any of those things.
When Minnards did the Shareholder meeting he and Mash both said Proctor was a good influence on the team.
You can't just deregister a player. They have contracts. Unless you are offering to pay them off.
You constantly say they don't do anything except sticking plasters, but that in itself is doing something. The loan deals have allowed unfit players to get fitter without playing them and gave us an opportunity to see if we could improve with other players.
The stand off didn't win us the game but I think he might if we can keep him longer.
I don't see a suggestion of new coach either. Cas have shown there's no super coach saviour out there.
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| Good attempt at defence. So you actually think things are working because we keep loaning people. Mason and the Wigan hooker worked well didn’t it. I didn’t suggest not paying, I’m not that thick thanks. I said deregister.
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| Quote ="lampyboy"So we have no money, just how much money don't we have. Carter's done a marvellous job on brainwashing the supporters and getting them to constantly spill the same skint message.
So I ask again just how much money don't we have. If you remember our recruitment was going to take shape because it was a world Cup and plenty of quality players would be available.'"
He's not brainwashed me I've seen through this charade since the beginning, the toy is now no use
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| I must have been brainwashed with the logic that low crowd numbers, less Sky money, spiralling inflation and increase in expense mean less money.
Are you thinking he's sat on a pile of gold in his office or something?
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| Try being a Leigh fan for 60 years. Only 3 seasons in Superleague and relegated each time, with only couple of short periods of success in the early 70’s and 80’s.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"He's not brainwashed everyone, and certainly not me.'"
I would be thinking I’d been stitched up if I had bought a signature on the steel beam.
Willie must have been given an indication he was going to get the spend back in his kitty from players that left, only to find that is not the case.
Corporate negligence.
What did Sid Vicious say? “Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?”
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| Quote ="BackSeatCoach"I would be thinking I’d been stitched up if I had bought a signature on the steel beam.
Willie must have been given an indication he was going to get the spend back in his kitty from players that left, only to find that is not the case.
Corporate negligence.
What did Sid Vicious say? “Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?”'"
I signed the girder and don't feel stitched up.
Hope that puts your mind at ease.
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| Quote ="PopTart"As you say you don't know any of those things.
When Minnards did the Shareholder meeting he and Mash both said Proctor was a good influence on the team.
You can't just deregister a player. They have contracts. Unless you are offering to pay them off.
You constantly say they don't do anything except sticking plasters, but that in itself is doing something. The loan deals have allowed unfit players to get fitter without playing them and gave us an opportunity to see if we could improve with other players.
The stand off didn't win us the game but I think he might if we can keep him longer.
I don't see a suggestion of new coach either. Cas have shown there's no super coach saviour out there.'"
PT. Please. Did you think that they would actually say that Proctor was a bad influence on the team?
They have to keep up appearances. Truth is Proctor is turning out to be a PR nightmare. He really is.
What does leadership look like to you? 15 minute stints then doubled over shattered?
Travel Overseas when not playing.
When injured, stand on the sideline playing with your phone instead of taking an interest in the team?
Indefensible.
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| Quote ="BackSeatCoach"I would be thinking I’d been stitched up if I had bought a signature on the steel beam.
Willie must have been given an indication he was going to get the spend back in his kitty from players that left, only to find that is not the case.
Corporate negligence.
What did Sid Vicious say? “Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?”'" johnny rotten did
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| Quote ="BackSeatCoach"PT. Please. Did you think that they would actually say that Proctor was a bad influence on the team?
They have to keep up appearances. Truth is Proctor is turning out to be a PR nightmare. He really is.
What does leadership look like to you? 15 minute stints then doubled over shattered?
Travel Overseas when not playing.
When injured, stand on the sideline playing with your phone instead of taking an interest in the team?
Indefensible.'"
Ah silly me. I didn't realise it was a conspiracy to hide the truth.
They didn't say he was playing well. They admitted he wasn't fit. And he did more minutes against Wigan than any other forward.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Ah silly me. I didn't realise it was a conspiracy to hide the truth.
They didn't say he was playing well. They admitted he wasn't fit. And he did more minutes against Wigan than any other forward.'"
I am not sure a few days in Majorca would do much for their fitness.
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| Wearing blinkers is hiding a wider view for some, I know everyone wants the best but this is not the way
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I am not sure a few days in Majorca would do much for their fitness.'"
So personally I agree. In terms of where we are and what we need to improve, I personally would be on the training field
But given this is clearly a stressful time for everyone, teams often give players a couple of days break to recharge, especially when they miss a weekend.
It's not exactly a new thing.
I'm sure others are doing the same, but putting it on social media probably isn't wise.
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| Some very good measured points on our current predicament unlike the facebook groups , that can and have turned sour and nasty at times . We’ve all come up with how we have got into this situation , that’s the easy bit really . The much harder bit is getting us out of this hole we have dug ourselves into , without a substantial backer behind us . Boot him out sounds the perfect solution, indeed he’s stepping down anyway at the season end , so that sorts that out , but the last thing I want my club to do is to go into free fall, and that’s what I fear if we can’t get the right people on board moving forwards . I hold no fear of dropping down , In fact it could be a great time to re-set our values and aspirations and watching a team hopefully being competitive will be a welcome change . Our Problems are easy to see ,but not so easy to fix
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| Quote ="Kettykat"Some very good measured points on our current predicament unlike the facebook groups , that can and have turned sour and nasty at times . We’ve all come up with how we have got into this situation , that’s the easy bit really . The much harder bit is getting us out of this hole we have dug ourselves into , without a substantial backer behind us . Boot him out sounds the perfect solution, indeed he’s stepping down anyway at the season end , so that sorts that out , but the last thing I want my club to do is to go into free fall, and that’s what I fear if we can’t get the right people on board moving forwards . I hold no fear of dropping down , In fact it could be a great time to re-set our values and aspirations and watching a team hopefully being competitive will be a welcome change . Our Problems are easy to see ,but not so easy to fix'"
Is he definitely going at the end of the year, I've heard he's planning on hanging around a bit longer. I sincerely hope not.
Provided that a new investor comes in, and although it would hurt us, I'm not as concerned as some. Current super league sides that are doing better than us, have been relegated and come back, some more than once.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Is he definitely going at the end of the year, I've heard he's planning on ganging around a bit longer. I sincerely hope not.
Provided that a new investor comes in, and although it would hurt us, I'm not as concerned as some. Current super league sides that are doing better than us, have been relegated and come back, some more than once.'"
He isn't leaving the club. He's leaving the role of CEO.
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| Quote ="PopTart"He isn't leaving the club. He's leaving the role of CEO.'"
I've heard differently, but there you go.
What will he be doing exactly. Hope nowhere near any decision making
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| I hope Mr Carter does stay on in the background trying to keep the bank account in the black.He came out and said he leaves the running of the team to the coaches.The big problem as been they have trusted the coaches to much ,and since J K left we have gone down hill fast. Also the amount of times the fans were telling the club not to sign the players that have dragged the club down to the Championship shows how blinked the board have been You do not have to be a coach to no that S L is about speed and been fit ,and over the last four year the coaches have got rid of it ,and brought in players in postions we had no need to fill
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| Quote ="alegend"I hope Mr Carter does stay on in the background trying to keep the bank account in the black.He came out and said he leaves the running of the team to the coaches.The big problem as been they have trusted the coaches to much ,and since J K left we have gone down hill fast. Also the amount of times the fans were telling the club not to sign the players that have dragged the club down to the Championship shows how blinked the board have been You do not have to be a coach to no that S L is about speed and been fit ,and over the last four year the coaches have got rid of it ,and brought in players in postions we had no need to fill'"
regarding where we have gone wrong with recruitment I totally agree. Who has made those calls,I totally disagree.
There is one common denominator throughout all this and it's not our various coaches,
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I am not sure a few days in Majorca would do much for their fitness.'"
So much for every one being on holiday, it would appear tomorrow is a training day.
Good afternoon. Message for those attending the luncheon club tomorrow. Parking is restricted due to the players being in for training. The 4 disabled spaces are still available in front of the club house otherwise could everyone else try and park nearer to the main road or there are spaces available down the side of the club house round the back Thank-you
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