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| Can anyone hear some violins playing?
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| I can't believe what i'm reading, jeez i argued the point and don't agree with Vasty but can't understand that reaction from someone i've got respect for.
Just for the record the comments/suggestions were aimed at the club and the club have done that.
Good luck Korki and lets hope we see you down at BV from time to time.
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| Quote ="vastman"When exactly did I say I was?
I simply expressed my opinion. This is the second time I have been unfairly treated IMO for expressing an opinion that seems to go against that of what I can only describe as a click of fans who have their favourite and thus untouchable players. At no point have I name called or in any way abused these players, no silly name calling like Blaydire!
I accept the need to be civil about players, with the exception of Hickey I have rarely picked on an individual player. However despite the fact that posters like wildowl like to make it personal I can't see how a considered opinion is either lacking respect or decency.
It's very simple, I don't and never have rated Korki. He's had his moments, especially when he first rejoined us but over all IMHO he is one of those Australians who has had a great career based on little more talent than many English players who didn't even get the chance. I'm sure he is a lovely man but that's not what SL is about and it never was. This being the case I'm willing to wish him all the best but I will reserve the right not to thank him.
The club can do as they wish.
None of what I'm about to say is aimed at you or anyone in particular on here apart from one who knows who he is..
If the above makes me a bad person so be it. In the last few weeks nay years I've been accused of amongst other things ripping the club off, using it as a tax dodge, being in SWAG to make me feel more important and get into games for free and much more, oh and being physically threatened at a match in 2008 - so maybe I am.
One thing is for certain no one has ever said thanks to me not that I ever expected it, why should I - I admit I talk my mind to much for that. That said I will never ever expected the recent abuse I have endured. Due to this I will never offer my help which in monetary terms and time has been considerable in the past to any of the supporters groups ever again. It's not the clubs fault or by and large the fault of those who run the various groups, it's simply the fact that you eventually get sick of being judged and abused by people who think that turning up at the occasional meeting and sinking 6 pints and being chummy with the odd player gives them the right to have a go. There cannot be a set of fans in the world more adept at isolating and discouraging those offering real support.
So maybe I'm being a little bit precious and self pitying as I'm sure some will point out and a wee bit harsh on Korki but I'm really not in a thankful frame of mind. At the moment I just feel I've wasted the last 8 years of my life attempting to help build a club for a bunch of people who frankly don't deserve it.
I won't bother posting much on here anymore which will please a fair few. Losing Vastman's regular input may not be much of a loss even I can see that. However losing the active support of the real person though hardly critical is surely something the club can't yet afford and I know I'm far from the only one to pack it up and call it a day. So maybe I do feel for Korki, I've experienced very similar to what you suggest he is feeling though in my case it didn't cost nothing.
I wish Andrew Glover all the best and he will need it!
So au revoir and all that, it used to be a pleasure.
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Come back Vasty. I love you even if they don't!
I don't always agree with you but I'll defend your right to state your opinion no matter how precious and self pitying you are. As long as it is opinions rather than personal attacks there is nothing wrong with it.
but I disagree with you about Korki.....he's been better than most English players we could have got, and been more committed to the cause than most players we've had too English or otherwise.
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| Quote ="vastman"what I can only describe as a click of fans'"
Alternatively, you could have more accurately described it as a 'clique' of fans.
Now stop being so daft vasty - the off-season has got you all antsy, but you know you'll miss this.
p.s Thank you.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Alternatively, you could have more accurately described it as a 'clique' of fans.
Now stop being so daft vasty - the off-season has got you all antsy, but you know you'll miss this.
p.s Thank you.
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"Thing on the website about it now for those who care.'"
I never believe those people who say "I don't like to say I told you so." I think they're big fat liars - I love saying it and will do so at every opportunity, like this one:
Told you so.
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| Vasty's issue is a subject I can speak about from experience!
If you stick your head up - in whatever form - it's there to be shot at, but some of the abuse gets right under your nose from those who clearly have nothing better to and even less to offer. That does tend to be a very small number of people and they are, generally, of the type that once you turn the computer off, have no relevance to the rest of your life.
I would like to publicly thank Vastman for all of his efforts over the years - in various forms - and would like to think that he would be available to assist with SWAG if nothing else, as he has been with us every inch of the journey and has offered help in areas no-one else could or would.
In the end it matters not what people think of you (although I tend to keep much of my opinion to myself these days as not many want to hear what I say without wanting to twist it some way to me just being a Ted poodle) - what matters is what we achieve. WiSCA / SB / SWAG and now the Trust - they have all been a part of our club, have all given beyond the reasonable and all helped to keep this club here in some way or another - in fact the very future of this club still requires their existence.
In summation - I hope that Vasty is just having a really naff day - we all have them!
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| Quote ="TRB"Vasty's issue is a subject I can speak about from experience!
If you stick your head up - in whatever form - it's there to be shot at, but some of the abuse gets right under your nose from those who clearly have nothing better to and even less to offer. That does tend to be a very small number of people and they are, generally, of the type that once you turn the computer off, have no relevance to the rest of your life.
I would like to publicly thank Vastman for all of his efforts over the years - in various forms - and would like to think that he would be available to assist with SWAG if nothing else, as he has been with us every inch of the journey and has offered help in areas no-one else could or would.
In the end it matters not what people think of you (although I tend to keep much of my opinion to myself these days as not many want to hear what I say without wanting to twist it some way to me just being a Ted poodle) - what matters is what we achieve. WiSCA / SB / SWAG and now the Trust - they have all been a part of our club, have all given beyond the reasonable and all helped to keep this club here in some way or another - in fact the very future of this club still requires their existence.
In summation - I hope that Vasty is just having a really naff day - we all have them!
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Well said
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| Quote ="TRB"In summation - I hope that Vasty is just having a really naff day - we all have them!
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Amen brother - I'm having one myself.
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| I'm with Vasty on this.
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| Quote ="vastman"When exactly did I say I was?
I won't bother posting much on here anymore which will please a fair few. Losing Vastman's regular input may not be much of a loss even I can see that. However losing the active support of the real person though hardly critical is surely something the club can't yet afford and I know I'm far from the only one to pack it up and call it a day. So maybe I do feel for Korki, I've experienced very similar to what you suggest he is feeling though in my case it didn't cost nothing.
I wish Andrew Glover all the best and he will need it!
So au revoir and all that, it used to be a pleasure.
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Vastman I don't have any particular dialogue or identify with anyone on here, I just throw in the odd comment. What is obvious to me though, is that sites like this need characters and straight talkers even if people don't agree with your comments (that's what it's all about isn't it!) So carry on contributing fella-your comments are needed to negate some of the real tripe that gets posted!
Back to Korki - I for one feel we never saw the best of him - he should have been a top prop but for some reason never stepped up to it-although I'm sure he never shirked anything!
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| He'll be back. This forum is an addiction.
See ya soon Vastypants
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| Have some posts been deleted or something as I cant see anything in this topic that would get anybody upset????
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| Maybe the frustration is that some players seem to get adulation for limited ability and utter guff such as 'loyalty' and 'loving the club' (two totally irrelevant factors in weighing up why a player should get a contract) and on the other hand, some of the young players we produce make mistakes and are ripped to shreds.
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"Maybe the frustration is that some players seem to get adulation for limited ability and utter guff such as 'loyalty' and 'loving the club' (two totally irrelevant factors in weighing up why a player should get a contract) and on the other hand, some of the young players we produce make mistakes and are ripped to shreds.'"
Nail on head.
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| I think most sensible posters on here recognise how much people like TRB, The Clan, Big Al etc contribute to this forum, and more importantly how much they have contributed to the club in its darkest hours.
Deep breath Vasty, keep contributing. I don’t always agree with you, but you are one of the better posters on this forum.
Anyway, back to Korki. A wholehearted player who gave no less than 100%, he clearly loved the club and its fans
All the best mate, hope you achieve success with Keighley.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Nail on head.'"
Enough to make you not want to visit again???
I thank all (with the odd exception) who have put the effort in in the RW&B, be it a young 19 year old Brit or an average Aussie, it really is irrelevant, if people dont agree with that then fine, thats up to them.
Whats that saying?? Opinions are like ars....................
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| Quote ="Ray Price Is God"Enough to make you not want to visit again???
I thank all (with the odd exception) who have put the effort in in the RW&B, be it a young 19 year old Brit or an average Aussie, it really is irrelevant, if people dont agree with that then fine, thats up to them.
Whats that saying?? Opinions are like ars....................'"
Not to not visit again but as a case for frustration. It was more in agreement with t-r-i-n-i-t-y than Vasty for not posting again.
He'll be back anyway
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"Maybe the frustration is that some players seem to get adulation for limited ability and utter guff such as 'loyalty' and 'loving the club' (two totally irrelevant factors in weighing up why a player should get a contract) and on the other hand, some of the young players we produce make mistakes and are ripped to shreds.'"
Agreed - it harks back to the corner shop days for me, when ability was less important than who you knew; some fans will never move on from that.
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"Maybe the frustration is that some players seem to get adulation for limited ability and utter guff such as 'loyalty' and 'loving the club' (two totally irrelevant factors in weighing up why a player should get a contract) and on the other hand, some of the young players we produce make mistakes and are ripped to shreds.'"
I suggest that other than standing on the terrace at BV every fortnight you really understand very little about rugby league in this area and the grassroots game, you are right in the sense that nothing other than a playing record should be considered when dealing with a a contract offer. Other than that i suggest you know very little about players and what they bring to the game away from BV. Of course what players like Korki have brought to the game at local level does not matter because all players are born at SL level.
You stick to black and white and collecting programmes and i'll cover the grey areas.
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| Quote ="Ray Price Is God"Have some posts been deleted or something as I cant see anything in this topic that would get anybody upset????'"
Nothings been deleted its just a difference of opinions and that only works when it suits.
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| We should have kept Korki for a year we are short on props at the moment and our salary cap supposedly spent
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| Quote ="Ray Price Is God"Cheers Korki.
In the early part of last year i think without Korki & Morro, we wouldnt have got close to winning a game. You looked at the 2 sides when warming up and without them our pack could have come straight out of the academy in terms of physicality. If you speak to PJ, Frankie, Howarth, Amor etc they will all have nothing but good things to say about Korki. No, i dont think he should have been given a new contract and during his time with us he has been up and down with regards to level of performance, but i dont think he could ever be accused of lacking in effort.
I just dont get some folk?? Anyone who has pulled on the shirt, especially last year (barring Hickey) and put his body on the line partly for my entertainment deserves a thanks. It doesnt mean i hero worship them, it doesnt in all cases mean that i rate them as a player but it does mean i appreciate there efforts.'"
I agree ! Korki and morro were hero's at the start of the season. Korki not the greatest player in the world but damm he played for the badge and i would have kept judging by the prop situation for next year.
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