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| Absolutely agree, WAKEY council - or dare isay, go on then Peter box, Arsenal supporters, always gunner !
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| It has been said more than once that the council policy is how NOT to build a Stadium, rather than how TO build one!
Time will tell all!
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| Quote ="Fishermanscap"Balne Lane is not a non starter in a functional sense, far from it. All obstacles could be overcome with an committed council pushing it, it's no less feasible than BV or NM in that respect.
That however isn't the problem. The rub is that IMHO the council no more has the will to make this work than they did Thornes, NM or BV. You could give them the perfect site for free and it still wouldn't happen. Until there are big changes at WMDC nothing will happen.'"
I agree with most of your points, especially that a committed Council could get one sorted nearly anywhere within reason.
But just on the feasibility side of things, when you compare Newmarket to the 'proposed' Balne Lane one imo it's night and day. One has got the planning permission sorted and just needs the developer to pull their fingers out, hit the trigger point and get the builders in. While the other would come under even more scrutiny than Newmarket did, considering the amount of housing and the number of changes to the roads to accommodate it. God knows how long that would take and even then you're not guaranteed anything at the end as we've seen already. Plus Newmarket sits on a dual carriageway, next to the M62, with the access already sorted and was meant to have more parking than a lot of SL stadiums, even though some said it wasn't enough. Also, I think IF it was built elsewhere, we'd lose the other aspects of the site like the 2 Multi-use pitches etc, which for me is a big part of it.
it's got to the point though it almost feels pointless talking about it, but ateotd we have to still push as the public of Wakefield and as a Club for what the Community was promised and not let the buggers off the hook, unlike what WMDC seems to want to do.
Whatever happened to the line that Box came out with to Yorkcourt. That was something along the lines of, get some units built as to start the Stadium build etc, or let another developer take over the project.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"I agree with most of your points, especially that a committed Council could get one sorted nearly anywhere within reason.
But just on the feasibility side of things, when you compare Newmarket to the 'proposed' Balne Lane one imo it's night and day. One has got the planning permission sorted and just needs the developer to pull their fingers out, hit the trigger point and get the builders in. While the other would come under even more scrutiny than Newmarket did, considering the amount of housing and the number of changes to the roads to accommodate it. God knows how long that would take and even then you're not guaranteed anything at the end as we've seen already. Plus Newmarket sits on a dual carriageway, next to the M62, with the access already sorted and was meant to have more parking than a lot of SL stadiums, even though some said it wasn't enough. Also, I think IF it was built elsewhere, we'd lose the other aspects of the site like the 2 Multi-use pitches etc, which for me is a big part of it.
it's got to the point though it almost feels pointless talking about it, but ateotd we have to still push as the public of Wakefield and as a Club for what the Community was promised and not let the buggers off the hook, unlike what WMDC seems to want to do.
Whatever happened to the line that Box came out with to Yorkcourt. That was something along the lines of, get some units built as to start the Stadium build etc, or let another developer take over the project.'"
I totally accept Balne Lane is the worst option so far, a poor one in many ways, for me Thornes was the best followed by BV then NM but that's just my opinion. However that wasn't the point which I'm sure you realise. The point was that none are viable with Box in charge, all are viable with someone in charge with a genuine desire to make it work.
Truth is if I were a politician but not a sports fan and certainly not a RL fan I'd go for a joint Community Stadium and bully the clubs into accepting a ground share. If Box had a spine and some real political intelligence this would get rid of this running sore very quickly and at the same time give him some much needed kudos. However he's a small minded small town politician who's too stupid for Westminster but slightly brighter and certainly more cunning than your average local councillor.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"I agree with most of your points, especially that a committed Council could get one sorted nearly anywhere within reason.
But just on the feasibility side of things, when you compare Newmarket to the 'proposed' Balne Lane one imo it's night and day. One has got the planning permission sorted and just needs the developer to pull their fingers out, hit the trigger point and get the builders in. While the other would come under even more scrutiny than Newmarket did, considering the amount of housing and the number of changes to the roads to accommodate it. God knows how long that would take and even then you're not guaranteed anything at the end as we've seen already. Plus Newmarket sits on a dual carriageway, next to the M62, with the access already sorted and was meant to have more parking than a lot of SL stadiums, even though some said it wasn't enough. Also, I think IF it was built elsewhere, we'd lose the other aspects of the site like the 2 Multi-use pitches etc, which for me is a big part of it.
it's got to the point though it almost feels pointless talking about it, but ateotd we have to still push as the public of Wakefield and as a Club for what the Community was promised and not let the buggers off the hook, unlike what WMDC seems to want to do.
Quote [uWhatever happened to the line that Box came out with to Yorkcourt. That was something along the lines of, get some units built as to start the Stadium build etc, or let another developer take over the projec[/u'" t.'"
To quote an old Bee Gees song: " It's only words, and words are all I have to take your heart away"
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| Build it on the land behind Ted's flats
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| Think people are ‘writing off ‘ Balne Lane too hastily. 15 minutes walk from city centre parking, 15 minutes walk from Westgate station. 15 minutes walk from White Hart and other pubs down Westgate, where loads of buse run to.
Access roads etc according to my planning friend surmountable,
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| Quote ="thebeagle"Think people are ‘writing off ‘ Balne Lane too hastily. 15 minutes walk from city centre parking, 15 minutes walk from Westgate station. 15 minutes walk from White Hart and other pubs down Westgate, where loads of buse run to.
Access roads etc according to my planning friend surmountable,'"
I'm finding it hard to believe that we are even discussing Balne Lane as an option!
Never mind access roads, it's surrounded by houses on 3 sides and a railway embankment on the other.
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| Quote ="Lockers700"I'm finding it hard to believe that we are even discussing Balne Lane as an option!
Never mind access roads, it's surrounded by houses on 3 sides and a railway embankment on the other.'"
What’s a stadium meant to be surrounded by? Belle Vue’s surrounded by housing.
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| Many grounds are surrounded by houses. Headingly . Not stopped development there . Hull FC ground surrounded by houses. Hull KR and Widnes two more.
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| Quote ="Wakefield City"What’s a stadium meant to be surrounded by? Belle Vue’s surrounded by housing.'"
Correct and it's far more hemmed in. It's not great but it's got more potential than people give credit for. There seems to be a few on here who just want to rubbish it for whatever reason.
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| Quote ="Wakefield City"What’s a stadium meant to be surrounded by? Belle Vue’s surrounded by housing.'"
Fair point, it's also been there over 100 years, Headingley & Widnes were/are being developed over an existing foot print. Not been to Hull KR since the old first division so can't remember the area.
Anyway I admire your optimism, bring on Balne Lane I say!
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| as a supporter of 45 years this is now past a joke. I have heard more than enough bull to last a lifetime in the 45 years
Who is to blame past owners the council to be honest I don’t care. I am resigned to the fact that SL will pull the plug due to the many false dawns
The stadium will not happen and by god I hope I am wrong
You me what now
1/ Leave Wakefield and set up as a SL club in Doncaster Barnsley Rotherham
2/ merge with Featherstone and play at post office road
3/ get kicked out of SL and face a slow death
I feel so sorry for Micheal Carter the best owner in 45 years but who could blame him if he throw the towel in.
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| Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"as a supporter of 45 years this is now past a joke. I have heard more than enough bull to last a lifetime in the 45 years
Who is to blame past owners the council to be honest I don’t care. I am resigned to the fact that SL will pull the plug due to the many false dawns
The stadium will not happen and by god I hope I am wrong
You me what now
1/ Leave Wakefield and set up as a SL club in Doncaster Barnsley Rotherham
2/ merge with Featherstone and play at post office road
3/ get kicked out of SL and face a slow death
I feel so sorry for Micheal Carter the best owner in 45 years but who could blame him if he throw the towel in.'"
Don’t worry I reckon something will be sorted soon. I’m going for Belle Vue redeveloped but not the deal we first wanted but better than first offered.
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| Cryptic tweets back from Manni. Hopefully he creates something to be criticised for.
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| at what stage does MC and the rest of the hard workers at the club give up??????
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| Quote ="BOJ042"at what stage does MC and the rest of the hard workers at the club give up??????'"
No idea, ask MC on twitter.
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| so last up date we got was a re developed bell vue- so Friday is our last game - what time are the bulldozers and workers getting there Saturday morning to commence work on the new stadium?
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| Quote ="BOJ042"so last up date we got was a re developed bell vue- so Friday is our last game - what time are the bulldozers and workers getting there Saturday morning to commence work on the new stadium?'"
You have your critics BOJO but your not without humour are you?
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| Doubt you will be able to get in the ground for the Warrington match, understand that Yorkcourt whose board members have family connections with the Showmans Guild / Travelling Community have arranged with Manni the owner of BV for a massive fair to be sited in the car park before our last match.
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"Doubt you will be able to get in the ground for the Warrington match, understand that Yorkcourt whose board members have family connections with the Showmans Guild / Travelling Community have arranged with Manni the owner of BV for a massive fair to be sited in the car park before our last match.'"
There has been a fair down there at this time of year for the past few years at least.
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| Never on a match day
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| You couldn't make this up!
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| It’s a year this week since the new redevelopment of Belle Vue was announced the one where the developer and council worked very hard to get plans on the table so they said.
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