A move out of Belle Vue without a signed and sealed, water tight contract to return to the City of Wakefield in a Super League standard stadium is a virtual death sentence for the club.

Firstly, by all accounts the RFL have ruled Dewsbury is acceptable for 1 year only, what then if there’s no deal to return to Wakefield in a Community Stadium

Secondly, if we intend to stay at The Tetleys Stadium who’s going to pay for the multi million pound upgrade to bring it up to standard.

Lastly, if neither the building of a Community Stadium or an upgrade of Tetleys Stadium is going to happen and staying at Belle View isn’t possible then maintaining Super League status looks unlikely if not impossible.

If that’s to be the case it becomes imperative that we stay in the District and find somewhere to play Championship or Championship 1 fixtures.

The alternative is to turn the lights off, send some memorabilia to Wakefield museum and consign Wakefield Trinity to the history books alongside Wakefield Rugby Union Club.

So for those advocating the hard line and giving Wakefield Council the middle finger, I would say stop and think again. Swinton & Oldham should act as cautionary tales to anyone advocating a move out of the City with no plan to return.

Maybe it’s already too late!

No matter how many scenarios i play in my head, this is what I come back to. All this lets move out of the City to Dewsbury, screw em thing is alright in principle, if we had a stadium big enough and an agreement that we can remain viable as a business but also improve both in support numbers but in sponsorship and hospitality etc, I just can't see that at Dewsbury personally. But at the end of the day it's Dewsbury's ground and they'll be happy with the size of the stadium for their needs and won't want the big City neigbours messing anything up unless at a guess, we can provide Capital ourselves to improve on what they've got.

Unbelievable some posts on here. We are Wakefield Trinity. Only thing in the city im proud of now along with the cathedral thats it.

I think you've answered your own point. It is in many ways to late and I suspect you're possibly right about moving out of the area.

However you're fundamentally wrong on one point. It is not Trinity ie the club, it's fans or indeed the Trust who are giving the miidle finger it's WMDC. If ou can't see that or you think there is any room left for negotiations with WMDC then you are mistaken.

THEY DO NOT WANT US, THEY HATE US - END OF.

I have to ask why people would question the motives of those involved - not saying you are.

I can just and I mean JUST about see how some weird conspiracy involving MC and CB gaining something from all this might work though personally I find the idea presposterous and insulting.

The Trust however have absolutely nothing to gain personally and everything to lose. Standing up and fighting WMDC in the courts was the last thing any of them ever wanted. These are not hot heads, that's one of the reasons I'm no longer active in SWAG - I'd have swung for Box by now (though I'd have probably missed because I'm not a very good fighter

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TRB and IA by nature are clam people, beyond reasonable on occasions - this is not natural territory for them and absolutely not what they wanted.

However they have a case and they have the guts and the desire to carry it through - THAT IS NOT STICKING UP THE MIDDLE FINGER!

The Dewsbury thing is clearly a fall back, we have to have one but I agree it's hard to see any positives in moving there if things reamain as they are.

It sums RL up for the ludicrous sport it's become that the governing body would bite MC's hand off to take his club to Birmingham where the club would probably last a season. Yet they wont let us play 400 meters outside the bounderies of a city that has a good core support and a potentially massive one - it's cretinous IMO.

We are being squeezed in every direction and we have few friends. Is it any wonder that people are angry when the RFL bought the 'iconic' Odsal but never offered to buy the oldest RL ground in the country - how bent is our sport!

No I'm sorry this is it, do or die. We have to back MC and CB and the Trust no matter what even if it's blindly on occasions because they are the only chance we have - and it's a slim one imho.

The one hope we have is that Box is a bully. He's OK in Council and behind the scenes running his corrupt empire. Court though is a different place. There he is nothing, less than nothing. He can't lie and bully in court. There are no yes men or lackies there, every statement he makes will be torn to shreds - personally I will love to see him squirm in court and with a little luck he may even break. The guy is rotten to the core and we have seen very recently what happens to those sort when their ego takes them to far out of their comfort zone.

We are a dying man, a dangerous opponent - we have nothing to lose. I don't say this lightly and if it's settled out of Court I'd be delighted but i mean it all the same, BRING IT ON.

My reference was to a number of fans who’ve basically said “F em, lets go to Dewsbury” but isn’t limited to just them it’s to anyone and all involved who think that’s the way to go.

The answer when Jaw Jaw breaks down isn’t War War or Law Law, there are no winners in that scenario, even if we get a favourable decision some years from now. The answer despite everyone being tired, frustrated and untrusting is more Jaw Jaw, go back and pull your seat out sit down and keep talking because the alternative is so far from winning that it’s no alternative at all.

Maybe the threat of High Court action is a negotiation position and if so it’s now been countered by Box’s statement that WMDC will vehemently defend themselves in Court. Now that both sides have publicly curled their fists up its time to pull the chair out again. Box stated in Council Chambers that he wanted Trinity to come back and negotiate, whether he’s genuine or not, if we choose not to then he once again looks like the bigger man while to anyone but fans, Trinity look uncooperative and unreasonable.

There’s no criticism, implied or otherwise, of anyone in what I’m saying!
I’m stating my opinion based on what’s in the Public Domaine

In my opinion there’s very little to be gained by leaving for Dewsbury with no secure plans to return and everything to lose.

If anyone thinks that we won’t become the next Swinton or Oldham and that RL won’t allow us to fall that far you’re kidding yourselves.

Other than that it’s back to the Euro lottery and crossed fingers

If they are not the answer then what is rolling over and dying - sorry but that's nonesense. I'd give you and others more credibility if you ever offered an alternative but you don't.

So nows your chance - your in charge - what do we do?

You mean ‘in your opinion’ its “nonsense”
I don’t agree with you because the alternative leads to nowhere but the end of the club as we know it or maybe just the end of the club.

“If I ever offered an alternative” you talk as if I’ve been a constant critic of others in some way, however and this may be a shock to you but I don’t seek or need your approval.

My alternative?
I just told you
Sit down and keep talking!
If you think that’s “rolling over and dying” then that’s your opinion and your problem. The alternative is to move out of Wakefield with no plan to return and there are clear examples of what that will probably lead to. I therefore prefer my alternative!

I’m as fed up as anyone with the politicking, back channelling, fork tongued statements, half truths and lies but unless someone’s got a master plan that we don’t know about yet then getting back around the table is still the best way forward.

we have no choice but to move do we? we don't own the ground and we don't want to pay the rent the owner has requested - what choice have we got?

Renegotiate the rent?

We are in a poor situation there though.
They know we need a ground pretty soon and there aren't many alternatives.
Unless doing nothing loses them money why would the change their price?

Despite being asked many times, he has never presented any request for rent? Therefore how do I pay it or even negotiate it?

That's even worse than I realised.
Such a poor situation.

I'm staggered at this. Whatever is going on between the council & the developers has a really bad smell about it

If were screwed either, as seems to be the case, I would call the Council's bluff on this and accept the terms they offer, if they ever get rounded to providing them. Watch them themselves when they suddenly have to back up what they said they will do and not have the club to shift the blame on when it doesn't happen.

Unreal situation isn't it and like I said before shows where 88m loyalties and priorities lie. So much for his words about wanting/thinking the best for the fans of Trinity or whatever he said. I can't believe we have to deal with another turd in the punch bowl.

I was gonna say the same though, call their bluff on their supposed Community Stadium. Like you hint at they haven't been right good at paperwork so far and watch them also backtrack on that offer for the Community.

The owner of belle Vue could be brought to task with a half decent council who obviously hold the key to developing the former superbowl site, I wonder where we get one of them from...

After nearly ten years of talking around a table what has actually been achieved ? Zero - we no longer own our stadium, we have no viable plan for a stadium in the city. looking at the outputs - the council (biggest land owner in wakefield) have delivered nothing in terms of providing a facility for the club to play in, that meets super league standards. So if we continue jaw jaw on a similar basis to the preceding years - what will be the likely outcome.

INSANITY DEFINED…
Doing the Same Old Things & Expecting Different Results

Its true civil proceedings will take time we dont have, and spend money we can ill afford to lose, but getting round a table without a potential lever will just sees the current impasse remaining until the club disappears or becomes a park team playing at east moor or stanley

The current scenario is we move to Dewsbury next season and then move again the season after maybe Coventry or Edinburgh because we cannot return to Wakefield as it currently stands. We gave notice to leave Belle Vue and we walked out of the talks therefore have we not also signalled our intentions to go our own way.
If we have a plan to stay or return to Wakefield it is not clear how the current strategy can produce this result. It will certainly facilitate our departure from Wakefield but maybe that is what we want

That ignore button is brilliant

What would you do?

Your opinion from the outside looking in, or from knowledge from the inside? If the former, you need to add the acronym IMHO. If the latter, how do you know?

Unless you can confirm the latter, I'll assume it's pub speculation pretending to be expertise.

Why how do you all see it panning out. I have given my view of the future purely based on what I have read. If any of you think I am wrong please tell me how and why it will be different.
You can of course use the ostrich button if in denial.
You ask what would I do it’s not for me to say it is for those who got us to the current position to have a plan which I suppose they have or why act in the way they have

A number of people have given different potential outcomes, which you are always quickly to disagree with...but then get very touchy when anyone questions your opinions, which you almost treat as facts.

There are a very small amount of people who know everything, and it's difficult to know what will happen without all the facts. You do seem to always assume the club is in the wrong though...which is a strange approach for a supposed fan.

I just think you'd get more traction if you were a tiny bit more constructive...just disagreeing with everything and then saying it's not up to you have a plan is like having a discussion with a Twitter troll.

That's fine. Just as long as we know it's just internet speculation at the same level as everyone else. There was always a suspicion that it was more than that, but for as long as we know it's just froth from the bloke at the bar, we can treat it as that. Thank you for confirming.

I doubt Ted has any interest in what's going on let alone a plan for getting us out of the mess he left us in.