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| Quote ="homme vaste"Quote ="Trinhomeandaway"Oh my word
Have you seen the Wigan squad !!!
I don't think anyone will argue that this is a very weak Wigan squad to what they will put out later in the season'"
Only difference I can see from last week is Hastings in, Field out, I don't think they are actually missing that many, Gildart and French?'"
It’s most certainly not a “weak” Wigan squad.
They are missing 2 wingers in manfredi and Marshall. They are missing Gildart and French. Bibby is a good winger and seems to do a good job covering one.
Those are the only 3 injuries plus bevan that would likely be in the first team line up.
From 6-17 they’re more or less full strength. With Hardaker and bibby in the back line too it’s still decent.
In contrast wakey still missing 2 spine players in wood and Jowitt plus Battye. It’s more or less evens on the injury front.
I discount field because I don’t think with hardaker, French, Hastings, Tommy he would get much of a gig anyway.
I see this again as a pretty even affair on paper. Though I don’t think their pack is as daunting as the Leeds pack and certainly not as big.
I suspect that the Wigan coach may stack the edge defence against bill and Tom with Hardaker and Bibby.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"It’s most certainly not a “weak” Wigan squad.
They are missing 2 wingers in manfredi and Marshall. They are missing Gildart and French. Bibby is a good winger and seems to do a good job covering one.
Those are the only 3 injuries plus bevan that would likely be in the first team line up.
From 6-17 they’re more or less full strength. With Hardaker and bibby in the back line too it’s still decent.
In contrast wakey still missing 2 spine players in wood and Jowitt plus Battye. It’s more or less evens on the injury front.
I discount field because I don’t think with hardaker, French, Hastings, Tommy he would get much of a gig anyway.
I see this again as a pretty even affair on paper. Though I don’t think their pack is as daunting as the Leeds pack and certainly not as big.
=#FF0000I suspect that the Wigan coach may stack the edge defence against bill and Tom with Hardaker and Bibby.'"
If that's the case, let's hope the dirty tw*t keeps his tackles fair.
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| Quote ="homme vaste"Only difference I can see from last week is Hastings in, Field out, I don't think they are actually missing that many, Gildart and French?'"
I don't think its weak .. but its certainly weaker than it could be.
It's looking like a centre combination of Willie Isa one side with either Bateman or Farrell on the other (plus young Hanley on the wing) which we should be able to exploit in terms of pace (don't think Bibby is that quick either) .
Their forward pack struggled to contain Sidlow last week which also gives some cause for optimism.
They will of course be tough and fit and have a top kicking game given the inclusion of Hastings.
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| Quote ="Brightside"I don't think its weak .. but its certainly weaker than it could be.
It's looking like a centre combination of Willie Isa one side with either Bateman or Farrell on the other (plus young Hanley on the wing) which we should be able to exploit in terms of pace (don't think Bibby is that quick either) .
Their forward pack struggled to contain Sidlow last week which also gives some cause for optimism.
They will of course be tough and fit and have a top kicking game given the inclusion of Hastings.'"
So what team isn't, are we not weaker than we could be? At what point exactly does the second richest club in SL with the best youth system become 'weak', give it a rest, there is nothing weaker about Wigan just as there was nothing weaker about Leeds. Smoke and mirrors, is all this is, why you chose to peddle it I don't know.
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| Quote ="vastman"So what team isn't, are we not weaker than we could be? At what point exactly does the second richest club in SL with the best youth system become 'weak', give it a rest, there is nothing weaker about Wigan just as there was nothing weaker about Leeds. Smoke and mirrors, is all this is, why you chose to peddle it I don't know.'"
Agree Vasty.
As a club, and as I see it, Wakefield aren't "expected" to beat the likes of Wigan, Saints et al due to the ability of said clubs' recruitment ability.
But we do manage it sometimes..... Which is nice.
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| If all our backs click we will run Wigan close and if we keep our heads win it.
Already talk of trying to put the shacks on TJ, let's see.
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| Just love the way Wigan play simple tough Rugby, the second half display against Leigh was a master class in handing the ball over on the oppositions try line then really getting off the defensive line with pace and tackling in numbers with aggression, keeping the opposition in their 20 and forcing a kick that at best crosses the half way line. They are patient and determined, its not complicated but very effective plus the whole team knows the plan and buys into it. It takes a set of equally determined aggressive players to carry the ball out of defense, remember how Hendo used to be always there to make these tough carries.
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"Just love the way Wigan play simple tough Rugby, the second half display against Leigh was a master class in handing the ball over on the oppositions try line then really getting off the defensive line with pace and tackling in numbers with aggression, keeping the opposition in their 20 and forcing a kick that at best crosses the half way line. They are patient and determined, its not complicated but very effective plus the whole team knows the plan and buys into it. It takes a set of equally determined aggressive players to carry the ball out of defense, remember how Hendo used to be always there to make these tough carries.'"
For once you're right, halfback play is intricate, backs are flamboyant, forwards should be a machine. Of course, forwards can be skilled but it's not a necessity. The ability to catch the ball at speed from deep, run it hard, KNOW WHEN THE TACKLE IS MADE rather than thrashing around like a hooked fish, get to your feet and play the ball without delay. All forwards must be able to do this, it's where Wigan and Leeds etc are strong and where our greatest weakness lays. My enthusiasm for Battye is that he seems to know this, as a player he's fairly ordinary in the skills department but in a class of his own when playing as a prop.
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| I'd be tempted to move Tanginoa into the front row to replace Green or Tangata, and Pitts in the second row.
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"I'd be tempted to move Tanginoa into the front row to replace Green or Tangata, and Pitts in the second row.'"
That won't go down well, most spent all last season arguing with that. You may have a point though.
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| Agree with that plus Arundel has to play, him in with Twopoo on the wing , that gives us a better defensive look to me and plenty of physicality which is a basic need in my opinion.
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| Quote ="vastman"So what team isn't, are we not weaker than we could be? At what point exactly does the second richest club in SL with the best youth system become 'weak', give it a rest, there is nothing weaker about Wigan just as there was nothing weaker about Leeds. Smoke and mirrors, is all this is, why you chose to peddle it I don't know.'"
An interesting if nonsensical view .. in my humble opinion.
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| Quote ="Brightside"An interesting if nonsensical view .. in my humble opinion.'"
Yeah, if you say so
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| Just play the same team as last week apart from Hampshire, The three quarters did not do a lot wrong so why change it .We all have picked up on mistakes the team made last week..Let's see if they have improved on any. Do not expect a win .As some post on here say ,we can not complete cash wise. Hope the shackles on T J is not to take him out of the game. Was it 2 year ago when we just had 14 players left at end of game ,against Wigan and a lot of our better players,been taken off injured not to return for months
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| Mystified at no max. He showed himself as far and away our best full back last season.
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| Quote ="Luppylad"Was he not not the ref who allowed marshall to tap the ball where he wanted to at belle vue 18 months ago which led to winning try. If he was he owes us a few'"
Mickeymousekas owes us more than that one. He's cost us a lot of points in his brief tenure
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| Quote ="charlie63wildcat"Mystified at no max. He showed himself as far and away our best full back last season.'"
Why are you mystified he’s still in rehab from an injury. It’s common knowledge so not sure why you’ve raised it tbh.
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| Quote ="vastman"That won't go down well, most spent all last season arguing with that. You may have a point though.'"
I think he's more effective in the second row, but the team would be stronger overall with him at prop. At least until Battye is back.
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"I think he's more effective in the second row, but the team would be stronger overall with him at prop. At least until Battye is back.'"
Not for me, I thought Green looked okay and Tangata didn’t seem to have much of a chance? From memory? I’d give em another game at least and just make sure we get Tanginoa the ball running wide a few times rather than one out rugby if we’re worried about the forward battle (seems some are questioning Wigan’s pack anyway? I’ve no idea either way).
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| INOUT Quote ="vastman"Why are you mystified he’s still in rehab from an injury. It’s common knowledge so not sure why you’ve raised it tbh.'"
Well pardon me for not knowing that. Ever thought of just explaining that in a pleasant manner. Funnily enough the Beverley guardian didn't cover it
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| Also not that common as at least one other person mentions his absence on here and doesn't appear to know
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| Quote ="charlie63wildcat"INOUTWell pardon me for not knowing that. Ever thought of just explaining that in a pleasant manner. Funnily enough the Beverley guardian didn't cover it'"
I'd change your paper to the Cottingham Bugle
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| Chester did say after the Leeds game, that Jowitt,K Wood. And Battye, would be back for the Catalan game
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| Quote ="charlie63wildcat"INOUTWell pardon me for not knowing that. Ever thought of just explaining that in a pleasant manner. Funnily enough the Beverley guardian didn't cover it'"
No rudeness intended. Just telling you. There are more places to get news than the Beverly guardian, it’s been everywhere for weeks. Hence my surprise.
I to was hoping Jowitt would be back but I’m not surprised that’s all.
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| Quote ="alegend"Chester did say after the Leeds game, that Jowitt,K Wood. And Battye, would be back for the Catalan game'"
He did indeed but clearly they are not so the only logical explanation is they are not fit. Annoying because all three would get the nod from me. What I’m not is baffled.
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