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| Just like our game against Salford last week, we should have won it but didn't. Same for Wakey tonight , they were the better team for the bigger part of that game and lost. Brough turned the game with one break and a great kick. Both teams have a bit of a hill to climb, but early days yet.
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| Need 4 points from Saints and Salford
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| Quote ="cocker"I haven't seen such pathetic ,weak reffing for a long time. Brough was in his ear the whole of the game, even when they were walking off at half-time.....and the debacle when Hudds were dropping out was disgusting . Players deliberately kicking the ball away , then pretending they couldn't find a ball !!!! Laughable, Kendall was made to look a right clown by Brough and his team mates.'"
Brough was probably just having a chat.....
Wakefield took the ball away twice when it was our scrum - so you are hardly in a position to complain at is doing similar- and the first time the ball disappeared prior to the drop out was when a wakey fan ran off with it and the steward had to chase him to get it back! the clock was stopped anyway so what difference does it make?
Kendall was made to look a clown by both sides- he can't tell the difference between a knock on and a strip and clearly doesn't know the rule about a player lending weight and pushing into touch.
Going by tonight's evidence both our sides are going to struggle this season.
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| You've got to be kidding haven't you... the first drop out brough kicked the ball into the corner between stands, the second Gaskell threw it into the wakey fans who tried to give it back but were prevented by stewards who locked the gates at the front. I had to plead with them at the end of the match to reopen the gate so the person i'm a carer for could leave by the way, cheers hudds for the hospitality!
I've no idea why Kyle woods try was disallowed. I've no idea how ferguson can drop the ball and hudds get the scrum. Both key moments in the match. BJB knocked himself out on the grass, the shoulder charge to the head apparently didn't happen. Oh and I'm assuming no one told him about the team warning. The referee was completely and utterly in brough' pocket and clearly favoured hudds in the second half.
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| Quote ="4foxsake"You've got to be kidding haven't you... the first drop out brough kicked the ball into the corner between stands, the second Gaskell threw it into the wakey fans who tried to give it back but were prevented by stewards who locked the gates at the front. I had to plead with them at the end of the match to reopen the gate so the person i'm a carer for could leave by the way, cheers hudds for the hospitality!
I've no idea why Kyle woods try was disallowed. I've no idea how ferguson can drop the ball and hudds get the scrum. Both key moments in the match. BJB knocked himself out on the grass, the shoulder charge to the head apparently didn't happen. Oh and I'm assuming no one told him about the team warning. The referee was completely and utterly in brough' pocket and clearly favoured hudds in the second half.'"
Well that's clearly not a biased view!
Kendall was poor - for both sides. He missed plenty of offside, a fair few head shots, stripped ball, and bottled giving a yellow card for both sides.
I still don't know why you are moaning about taking time over the drop outs- the clock was stopped so what difference does it make? Both sides benefit from the break in play not just one. And no- it's quite clear you had "no idea" as you wouldn't be able to see from where you were sat. Perfectly clear to the rest.
He was pants. He didn't favour any side over the other-he was just pants.
As for the gates- it's a safety issue- and the fact some of your fans were frothing at the mouth towards the end then hardly surprising. Those gates are what prevented us ending up with a fine like kr did when Salford kicked off at our ground last season. And if you are seriously going to complain about the hospitality at our ground when your home is belle vue or whatever it's called now... we'll.
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| Huddersfield were kicking the ball away so they could get recovery time and set their defensive line, it's nothing to do with running the clock down!
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Huddersfield were kicking the ball away so they could get recovery time and set their defensive line, it's nothing to do with running the clock down!'"
Wow- I know we were pants but surely setting our defensive line for a drop out is simple..... we just stand on the line.....
Both teams benefit from the break in play- could even be argued that it would take Wakefield longer to set up for the dropout as they are further away from their positions than hudds who were already at our tryline than hudds to set their defence that just have to stand in a long line.....
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| Quote ="jools"Well that's clearly not a biased view!
Kendall was poor - for both sides. He missed plenty of offside, a fair few head shots, stripped ball, and bottled giving a yellow card for both sides.
I still don't know why you are moaning about taking time over the drop outs- the clock was stopped so what difference does it make? Both sides benefit from the break in play not just one.
He was pants. He didn't favour any side over the other-he was just pants.'"
At a drop out from under the sticks, the defending team gain by regaining composure and have a 'rest', taking in air, but the attacking side just want to get on with it.
In the past we have had a player sin binned for putting the ball into the crowd when defending prior to a goal line drop-out.
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| I have to agree the referee was poor, but it was for both sides. Yes a couple of calls went against us but some went our way as well, for instance Kirmo should have been sitting down for ten for tipping but he bottled it. He wasn't the reason we lost, we managed that all by ourselves. Terrible game management, dumb choices and poor discipline keeps on costing us. Two league wins since the magic weekend now isn't it? That really is shocking.
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| Quote ="PHe"At a drop out from under the sticks, the defending team gain by regaining composure and have a 'rest', taking in air, but the attacking side just want to get on with it.
In the past we have had a player sin binned for putting the ball into the crowd when defending prior to a goal line drop-out.'"
So don't the attacking team get a rest then?
I've also seen people sin binned for tipping and twisting a player whilst two others drive his head to the ground - but hey....
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| Quote ="jools"So don't the attacking team get a rest then?
I've also seen people sin binned for tipping and twisting a player whilst two others drive his head to the ground - but hey....'"
Like I said previously all they want to do is get on with it, because they will have the ball, assuming the buggers don't knock on.
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| Quote ="jools"Wow- I know we were pants but surely setting our defensive line for a drop out is simple..... we just stand on the line.....
Both teams benefit from the break in play- could even be argued that it would take Wakefield longer to set up for the dropout as they are further away from their positions than hudds who were already at our tryline than hudds to set their defence that just have to stand in a long line.....'"
Are you really that clueless Jools?
The hardest work a team will have to do is defend back to back sets on their own line, it empties the tank pretty quickly. Buying your team time by kicking the ball away and delaying the restart allows the defence to compose themselves and let their heart and lungs catch up.
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| Forget it, I've read your earlier posts and can only surmise that no one is that thick so you're obviously being intentionally stupid!
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"I have to agree the referee was poor, but it was for both sides. Yes a couple of calls went against us but some went our way as well, for instance Kirmo should have been sitting down for ten for tipping but he bottled it. He wasn't the reason we lost, we managed that all by ourselves. Terrible game management, dumb choices and poor discipline keeps on costing us. Two league wins since the magic weekend now isn't it? That really is shocking.'"
It really is. Chester needs to stop the rot or we could be 4 game in on 0'points
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Are you really that clueless Jools?
The hardest work a team will have to do is defend back to back sets on their own line, it empties the tank pretty quickly. Buying your team time by kicking the ball away and delaying the restart allows the defence to compose themselves and let their heart and lungs catch up.'"
Ah Right- thanks for the heads up........ so is that why you did the same at the scrums that hudds won then?
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| The kicking the ball away didn't lose us the game, but it showed how the ref was losing control and Brough was gaining it.
We should still have won but it was gamesmanship that should have been penalised.
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| I was behind the posts same as the rest but only one of Giants trys near the line were well worked moves. The others were simple push overs from what feet that should have been stopped.
The one from Brough's break and cross field kick was pure class.
It was a game we let go no doubt about that.
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| I've left many a Trin match knowing we weren't good enough to win. Our first 2 league matches we've been good enough and should have won both, sometimes that's more frustrating but also gives hope we can compete this season.
Up the Trin
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"I've left many a Trin match knowing we weren't good enough to win. Our first 2 league matches we've been good enough and should have won both, sometimes that's more frustrating but also gives hope we can compete this season.
Up the Trin'"
That's a fair point, even in the midst of the frustration felt, but we do need to quickly learn how to win - a skill long since departed!
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| I wasn't at the match last night so listened to radio coverage but the momentum did appear to shift after the uneccessary tip tackle by Kirmond.
Hopefully more grunt and size could be added for the next match on heavy pitches? With Keegan Hirst and possibly, if fit, Mitch Allgood introduced to the 17 with Huby playing at 13.
Agree with other posters that it's games against teams such as Giants that need to be winning as they are likely to be with Trinity towards the bottom of Super League.
Early days and competitive so Up the Trin!
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| Still haven't calmed down after last night.
there were 3 big moment's in the second half which gave Huddersfield all the momentum that they needed.
1 - not going for goal, which would have moved us 10 points clear and increased pressure on Huddersfield
2 - the dumb spear tackle, which was halfway through the set
3 - the knock on by Shudds, which was given as a ball steal
The time wasting behind the sticks was totally unacceptable, even though the ref stopped the clock.
Huddersfield weren't just slow, they were blatantly kicking the ball away (which used to be a sin bin offence) and at one point the ball boys on the main stand side, who had "spare" match balls, had them taken off them and they mysteriously disappeared from sight.
In 40 years watching the game, I've never seen that level of gamesmanship, utterly disgraceful.
We lost because Huddersfield were cleverer than us and it was certainly a game that we could have won.
There were 2 excellent tries in the game though, BJB's solo effort and sadly, Broughs break and cross field kick, which was excellent.
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| Quote ="Willzay"It really is. Chester needs to stop the rot or we could be 4 game in on 0'points'"
I think you need to go see your GP. You're clearly clinically depressed. You've never any positive to say about anything...ever.
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| I wish you'd all shaddap with this we haven't won a game since magic weekend rubbish.
I mean, its a new season, the players are different, opponents are different, conditions are different, more importantly what happened last season is irrelevant, everyone starts at zero points regardless.
If jools was spouting it you'd all be putting it down to trolling, which it probably would be
Why stop at magic weekend, why not go back a season and witter on about win ratio's, why not go right back to 1897.
If we're gonna bitch about losing runs including a season that has no relevance to the one we're actually competing in, why don't we include equally irrelevant pre-season games that would end this stupid cross season point counting.
What matters is what happens this season, we've enough to whine about with without dragging up magic weekend every 5 minutes...
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Still haven't calmed down after last night.
there were 3 big moment's in the second half which gave Huddersfield all the momentum that they needed.
1 - not going for goal, which would have moved us 10 points clear and increased pressure on Huddersfield
2 - the dumb spear tackle, which was halfway through the set
3 - the knock on by Shudds, which was given as a ball steal
The time wasting behind the sticks was totally unacceptable, even though the ref stopped the clock.
Huddersfield weren't just slow, they were blatantly kicking the ball away (which used to be a sin bin offence) and at one point the ball boys on the main stand side, who had "spare" match balls, had them taken off them and they mysteriously disappeared from sight.
In 40 years watching the game, I've never seen that level of gamesmanship, utterly disgraceful.
We lost because Huddersfield were cleverer than us and it was certainly a game that we could have won.
There were 2 excellent tries in the game though, BJB's solo effort and sadly, Broughs break and cross field kick, which was excellent.'"
The number 4 point for me was the Kyle Wood 'disallowed try' in the second half for allegedly 'moving off the mark'. The only one all night I think. We were in the ascendency and well on top and that I feel would have 'killed them off' at 14 points up.
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| Like everyone else I've been trying to work out how we lost last night. Think what we are lacking the most is an on-field leader. Some-one to take the game by the scruff of the neck and guide us . No disrespect to Danny , but we need some0ne to "gee us up " when appropriate and be calming and calculating too. I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but we should have taken the two easy points on offer, especially when our first tilt at the line come to nothing. I never seem to see anyone taking the lead ..
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