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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"unbelievably the brigadeer says cas are worse than us. thanks for the name calling scrowt ive been called far worse but usually to my face. come and introduce yourself at the next game il be free to give you my attention'"
Ive got some bad news for you pops me mam says your grounded for a month so dont be making any arrangements
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| Quote ="cats gone mad"first he still aint a sl player he did alright today so wont moan too much,
second,still dont think it was a good idea to have [umatt on bench[/u i would have started with him and played an extra forward on bench if it had been a close game it may have been different its only like last week when we had morton on bench everybody moaned and feel had we lost peoples feelings would have been the same as last week
i think we played well today and will give credit where credit is due as i was one of many who couldnt see a win coming esp so a big win BUT lets not get carried away they where poor today'"
I'm not sure Matt is fully fit. Give him some game time which is why he came off the bench
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| Cracking performance, just when we needed it - well done to all the lads.
Particularly gratifying to see some of the out of form players do better; JD had a good game, Cooke looked interested and even Gleeson did well.
It was Quins though, and they were pretty awful; here's hoping we can carry the momentum into the next two, very tough, games. A win against Whino's at home would be just what the Dr ordered!
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| could not make yesterday some times the family must come first but I was over the moon when I saw the FT
sound like King had a big game again
cant make Friday gutted because Leeds is always the big game for me but will be back for Wigan
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| Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"could not make yesterday some times the family must come first but I was over the moon when I saw the FT
sound like King had a big game again
cant make Friday gutted because Leeds is always the big game for me but will be back for Wigan'"
You missed a good game, players showing confidence in each other and backing up teamates, after the last few games i reckon "they and we" deserved this victory.
The players reaction to conceding a last minute try tells me all is well at BV.
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| Much improved all round performance.
However i wont change my opinion on Kear based on one performance,lets just see what the level of performance is like for the next few games.Im not asking for wins(although would be nice),but want to see whether the same level of performance sustained.If that happens i will happily re consider my opinion of JK.
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"Much improved all round performance.
However i wont change my opinion on Kear based on one performance,lets just see what the level of performance is like for the next few games.Im not asking for wins(although would be nice),but want to see whether the same level of performance sustained.If that happens i will happily re consider my opinion of JK.'"
So the only coach to have a better than 50:50 win ratio - over a 4+ year period - still needs to perform for the next few games to win your approval???
I bet that will make him work twice as hard now!
JK works miracles with what we have available - he doesn't always get everything right, but he gets far more right than any other coach we could have at BV.
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"Much improved all round performance.
However i wont change my opinion on Kear based on one performance,lets just see what the level of performance is like for the next few games.Im not asking for wins(although would be nice),but want to see whether the same level of performance sustained.If that happens i will happily re consider my opinion of JK.'"
You have made yourself look foolish once don't continue to dig, it will be a lonely hole with Mopsey as your only company - is that really what you want
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The brains trust has arrived, you really have not got a clue - two tries great defence - what is it with sad people like you, why do you need a victim no matter what.
As for the original topic, I know I will upset a few here (normal pre amble cr*p) but Kear out, Mopsey for head coach - there that should keep the plankton on here happy.
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| Quote ="bloomers"You weren't 'shouted down' Vastman, both sides were just as bad in arguing the toss over petty semantics. The difference is, in your view, it is acceptable when you do that, yet not for others. The matter of discussion, from my point at least, was more about the loss of what Stosic brought.
From what I remember of it, it was more about how King had played at that point, rather than potential - and what we saw of him at the start of the season was a pale shade of how he's played the last few games. I'll happily put my hand up and admit I argued with you; it wasn't in suggesting King was a poor signing per se though. I had some doubts, yes, as his injury record and reputation preceded him. However, I don't see that as equal to writing someone off; views can be multi-faceted in the real world. As with almost every player we have ever signed who I've had doubts over, my main view has been one of hope that they'll come good, because first and foremost I am a supporter of the club who wants us to win, therefore I want the players to come good. And, in King's case, the last few games have been better than that.
So, please don't come the arrogant crap about people who are out for reasoned debate being a pre-judgement brigade who are ruining the forum. A forum is meant to be a place of debate, and a lack of any debate would be what would exist if we all bowed down to your superior knowledge and foresight.'"
Translate - I simply can't admit I was wrong. I made some foolish assumptions about a player I'd seen play no more than 3-4 times (one a friendly) in a Trinity shirt and decided he wasn't a patch on Stosic, a player suddenly given legendary status.
Now that King has proved at least IMO vastly the superior player based over a similar number of games I will blame Vastman and not myself for getting it wrong.
No Bloomers I don't have superior knowledge I just give people a chance. I based my opinion on King as a recruit based on his playing ability as shown for many seasons at Hull. I said he was a good replacement given the time and money we had. I never claimed he would be great just that he was the best available prop. As it happens he has found his form as a player and IMO is our best buy of the season. Just as well Kear and fans like myself give players a chance to settle. Bad Vastman.
There is a lesson here but I'm sure it's wasted.
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| Quote ="TRB"So the only coach to have a better than 50:50 win ratio - over a 4+ year period - still needs to perform for the next few games to win your approval???
I bet that will make him work twice as hard now!
JK works miracles with what we have available - he doesn't always get everything right, but he gets far more right than any other coach we could have at BV.
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yep being some crap on here ref get rid of JK idiots
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| Quote ="TRB"So the only coach to have a better than 50:50 win ratio - over a 4+ year period - still needs to perform for the next few games to win your approval???
I bet that will make him work twice as hard now!
JK works miracles with what we have available - he doesn't always get everything right, but he gets far more right than any other coach we could have at BV.
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Wasnt really a case of giving him my approval.I have the utmost respect for what Kear has done for our club.But feel this season his coaching methods appear to have stagnated and our on field performances were going backwards.I didnt base my opinions of wanting him replaced based on one game and i wont change that opinion based on one game.
Yesterdays performance was good,very good and i really do hope Kear can maintain that level of performance.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"I was joking you plank !!!!!!!!!'"
If you say so, not easy to tell as it's so close to your serious posts!
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| Our kicking game is still suffering but that is to be expected. Thought OBst was outstanding when he saved that definite try he had a great all game he is still not the answer for our kicking though. Our forwrds were unreal yesterday King was unbelievable. Cooke hope hes getting more trim which he looks made some great passes but this was off the back of our forwards been outstanding. Kirmond showing real effort every week for a loan player. Demetriou rolled back the years!!! We needed a win and a performance like that to give us a bit of optimism. We played the ball quick and ran hard and worked as a team quins had no answer to this.
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"Wasnt really a case of giving him my approval.I have the utmost respect for what Kear has done for our club.But feel this season his coaching methods appear to have stagnated and our on field performances were going backwards.I didnt base my opinions of wanting him replaced based on one game and i wont change that opinion based on one game.
Yesterdays performance was good,very good and i really do hope Kear can maintain that level of performance.'"
For christ sake it's nothing to do with his coaching methods, which are basic and simple. It's to do with the total disruption of the team he originally put together to compete in SL this season. Why is that so difficult to accept.
He has lost two vital pivot players in Newton and Brough, lost a prop who was winning us games, lost his other performing H/B for long periods and then lost his two other overseas imports for long periods.
Please tell me what coach could do better suffering catastrophic losses like that. This is were you and the Mopseys fall down. Who is this wonder coach who can take what is left of the Trinity squad and have won the last five games. Go on tell me please I'd love to know.
The fact that we nearly beat Leeds and finally hammered an in form Quins is a testament to the man.
Yes it's been bl**dy dull to watch and Cookes initial performances have been cringeworthy. Don't you think Kear knows that. He could sulk and say the rugby would be great if I hadn't been robbed of talents like Brough and Newton. He didn't, he accepted it, worked with what he had left and bingo.
It's going to be a hard season and our squad is a bit threadbare, but we may still be in the mix come August and that's all we really need.
Give the man a break.
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| Quote ="vastman"You have made yourself look foolish once don't continue to dig, it will be a lonely hole with Mopsey as your only company - is that really what you want
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Still a fair way behind you then.
I have no desire to be in anyones company,Pro Kear or Anti Kear.
Im just not ready to change my opinion based on one game ---- i think thats what your refer to as "knee jerk"
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| Quote ="vastman"For christ sake it's nothing to do with his coaching methods, which are basic and simple. It's to do with the total disruption of the team he originally put together to compete in SL this season. Why is that so difficult to accept.
He has lost two vital pivot players in Newton and Brough, lost a prop who was winning us games, lost his other performing H/B for long periods and then lost his two other overseas imports for long periods.
Please tell me what coach could do better suffering catastrophic losses like that. This is were you and the Mopseys fall down. Who is this wonder coach who can take what is left of the Trinity squad and have won the last five games. Go on tell me please I'd love to know.
The fact that we nearly beat Leeds and finally hammered an in form Quins is a testament to the man.
Yes it's been bl**dy dull to watch and Cookes initial performances have been cringeworthy. Don't you think Kear knows that. He could sulk and say the rugby would be great if I hadn't been robbed of talents like Brough and Newton. He didn't, he accepted it, worked with what he had left and bingo.
It's going to be a hard season and our squad is a bit threadbare, but we may still be in the mix come August and that's all we really need.
Give the man a break.'"
With all due respect Vasty,weve been there and done all this conversation on a previous thread.
My issues with Kear have been about standard of performance - not winning or losing.
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"With all due respect Vasty,weve been there and done all this conversation on a previous thread.
My issues with Kear have been about standard of performance - not winning or losing.'"
Fair enough, so how do you get a high quality game when most of your high quality players are not available. Love Hedo and co to bit's but they won't create great RL, it's not there job. It's like asking Vidal Sasoon to cut your hair with a bread knife, you just won't get a quality result to start with but eventually Vidal will make it work and so will Kear.
Not much Vidal could do with Kears hair, oh the irony.
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| Quote ="trinfan71"Honestly didn't go today. I am pleased the team got a win today, but one swallow doesn't make a summer. I sincerely hope it continues but lets string a few good performances together and then we can announce we are on the up.'"
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Well said that man.
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Who on here is suggestion anything else, I'd call it stating the bl**ding obvious then claiming you have discovered the theory of relativity. Just because people enjoyed a good game in good weather with a great result doesn't rob them of there senses. That is the classic mistake you self appointed realists make.
It could be a blip it could be the real deal who knows, but for heavens sake just enjoy the moment else what's the point.
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| Quote ="vastman"Why is it well said?
Who on here is suggestion anything else, I'd call it stating the bl**ding obvious then claiming you have discovered the theory of relativity. Just because people enjoyed a good game in good weather with a great result doesn't rob them of there senses. That is the classic mistake you self appointed realists make.
It could be a blip it could be the real deal who knows, but for heavens sake just enjoy the moment else what's the point.'"
Now,that i agree with.
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| Welcome back Vasty
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| Really enjoyed yesterday and although a 'lesser' team its just what we needed to push on and was considerably better than the scrappy win that JK was hoping for to reverse the recent trend.
Great weather and a great game if your a trin fan.
I was really happy that Cooke came more into it, the forwards as has been noted were outstanind and JD created some good stuff. By the way did anyone hear JD's response to the bloke in the crowd who asked why he did not pass to George for what looked like a good try opportunity?
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| Quote ="vastman"Why is it well said?
Who on here is suggestion anything else, I'd call it stating the bl**ding obvious then claiming you have discovered the theory of relativity. Just because people enjoyed a good game in good weather with a great result doesn't rob them of there senses. That is the classic mistake you self appointed realists make.
It could be a blip it could be the real deal who knows, but for heavens sake just enjoy the moment else what's the point.'"
Oh I humbly appologise for agreeing with somebodys post on here, that's not yours!
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