Well Bren your the world expert on everything so of course I'm wrong and idealistic - don't know why I bothered for the last 10 years.

Perhaps you'd like to take over from Sir Rodney, TRB and IA and give them a break, I reckon you'd sort it in a week.

If that sounds petulant I'm sorry but I'm only taking my lead from you

It does sound a bit petulant, Bren2K has every right to be sceptical and also makes a valid point even though I don't agree with him on a couple of things.

Firstly, the total revamp of BV could help trigger a wider clean up of the immediate area

Secondly, the residents living around the stadium moved there in the knowledge that Wakefield Trinity play their games nearby, I doubt they were ever promised that one day Trinity would move somewhere else.

Don't be a big baby Vasty; I haven't seen Sir Rodney, TRB or IA suggest that a refurbished BV would be the catalyst for a socio-economic regeneration in Agbrigg - only you suggested that and whilst it's a nice thought, it's pie in the sky.

I understand the need for those who are involved to dance to YC's tune, for fear of upsetting them; I don't have to agree with it though.

I'm not sure why you pick Bren's point out on this but I can see his point.
A community stadium in Agbrigg area may well improve the area, but a revitalised Belle Vue will not. The facilities would not be used by the local community very much if at all.
If we, as an example changed things round to there was a free sports facility attached where you could play squash and go to the gym cheaply etc then great. Or even just facilities where you could have meetings and community events, but I reckon (but don't have any evidence) that the event facilities at the club now, are rarely used by the local community.
To make that work properly, someone would have to do some analysis to find out what is needed. No small task.

NM is different as it isn't trying to cater for a local community. It is covering the whole of Wakefield in a 'neutral' area where you can go if you make the effort to travel.

Not that one is better or worse, but the Community aspect of both sites is very different.

Am I being selfish by suggesting that I could give a rats 'arris what havoc or otherwise is caused by 13 SL games a year to the residents of BV?
It's not like they haven't had time to adapt.
Whatever ground we get, NM or BV mark 2, it's likely to be a damn sight better place to go than what we have now as much as I feel for BV mark 1.
If we've been let down by YKP, wakey council, the club or whoever as long as we get something that improves the clubs future sooner rather than later.
Glass half full, glass half empty? In just glad there's a glass with something in it.
Apologies for my simplistic view of the world and lack of soapbox but that's how I see it.

Me the big baby, irony metre on overload.

I never said Sir Rodney or anyone else suggested that - it's my opinion.

Tell me, how do you know anybody is dancing to Yorkcourts tune - my original post was to give interested people like you a hint that perhaps YC are not the villains in this that you wish to paint them. You won't take the hints that's fine, if you wish to spend your time peddling your one sided theories based on not much as far as I can see that's up to you. In the meantime the rest of us will get on with it. I like the way you tell us in slightly condescending tones what's gone wrong as if we don't know - for some on here Bren this quest for a new stadium has been a lot more than a few threads on a forum. TRB in particular runs the risk of being made to look a fool for trying and by definition will have wasted the last 10 years of his life for nothing if it doesn't come off. Now even a ten million pound upgrade to BV gets him little more than a sold out tag - which is EXACTLY what you are insinuating - so yes it does annoy me when people blast away without waiting for the facts.

Like it or not nobody owes us anything - you have to fight every inch of the way for whatever you can get - nobody gives a toss about WTRLFC other than a few thousand penniless fans. Yorkcourts money is the only money available - there is no other tune to dance to my friend - you may wish to vent your spleen against the hand that feeds, personally I think that's a poor idea but hey who am I.

Finally answer a straight question with a straight answer just for once.

Tell Sir Rodney, TRB and IA exactly what they should do regarding YC to get NM back on track - I'm sure they would love your input I certainly would because I've run out of alternative ideas.

I don't think this is a selfish point of view at all.
Anything done to Belle Vue will improve the general area; of course parking etc is a problem 13 times a year but a lot of local businesses get a lot of trade also on matchdays but that never gets mentioned does it?
I cringe when I see some of the roads surrounding the ground and feel embarrassed when away supporters pass comment en route to the ground. Perhaps improvements to the Belle Vue stadium will lead to some general improvements in the area?

A new BV with full conference facilities and hopefully bigger and more affluent crowds would boost the local economy and up the appeal of the area. The community is not just Yoga classes, it's bars and Taxi companies etc.

Yes it won't be as huge as it would if all the facilities were at BV but it's a start. As for the community facilities at NM, personally I think they are to far out and may well be a white elephant - just my opinion.

However we can get caught up in semantics all day long but we need a ground - now - and the predators for BV are already out there.

Typical overblown hissy-fit Vasty, containing the usual straw men, ad-hominem attacks and logical fallacies.

For clarity - I understand that opinions are equally valid on here - that's the point; you've given your opinion that this is a not ideal but expedient outcome, and suggested that a) we don't upset YC for fear they won't give us our pocket money and b) that getting a new stadium is worthwhile at any cost.

My own opinion is that the whole thing stinks and that there are bigger issues at play here than a stadium for WTW; significant numbers of people have essentially been duped into supporting a development that was against the wishes of the local community and as a result the whole process lacks integrity, whatever the outcome.

As for the rant about TRB - I have no idea where that comes from or what relevance it has; I've said nothing about that and I don't have a view - I think you may be conflating me with an earlier poster.

Finally - straight answer - I don't have one, as I'm not party to all the information; my own opinion though is that BV, with all its history and sentimental attachments, will never be a future-proof, fit for purpose location for a modern, successful, forward-thinking professional sports club. NM would have been, but that appears to have disappeared in a puff of corporate skulduggery.

Your problem I think is that you came here with news - expected it to be universally supported because others would agree that a new stadium for WTW is the most important element of all this - and you're perturbed because I don't. Sorry about that.

Ding,ding...end of round 478, boys !!!

You two must be worn out from all that sparring....

What a silly post, still if that's what you think - I'll carry on posting for those who wish to read them I'm sure I won't be to "bothered" by that , best of luck Bren.

PS: As usual you didn't answer the question just more Bren hot air as usual.

I've made my point fairly clear as long as the club is getting something worthy of the name i am happy with a BV mark 2 job, ideally this is better for me as i prefer going into town for a beer and a curry given the opportunity and going to NM would have been something of a shift in pre/post match activities.
That said for the good of the club i would have made those changes.
I am interested though why you think BV cannot guarantee our future, as (from a personal perspective) i think it is in a far more accesible and popular location, i accept peoples views on BV as an area, but i still think its better than a field/business park outside stanley.
I cant see how you can make this leap without knowing whats on the cards, unless its just a gut feeling.

Disagree, think that it's genuinely enjoyable dialogue personally. Only a smattering of low level personal insults but the basis of decent points on both sides. I'm swinging from one perspective to the other. Fair play

Ok then....Ding Ding...round 479...bring on the biff..

I just dislike all the big words being used!

I've got no beef with anyone who is happy to accept what's on offer and despite Vasty's faux-exasperation that I'm not getting the point, I am; I realise that it's this or nothing and I can see why some people are happy to go along with that. Fair play - I just don't share that view; I do feel a bit sorry for the June Fenders of this world though, who copped dog's abuse on here for their underhand tactics and manipulation of the legal processes - ironically, they've suffered the same fate.

Personally, I think that the available space and the location of BV mean that whatever you do there, is always limited; it won't attract corporate events, it won't do anything other than RL and it sends a very small-time message to the outside world. And short of buying up the surrounding streets and levelling them, it will always be closed in on 3 sides, plagued by access problems and have a grotty outlook. In my opinion.

Bloody hell I just want the stadium trust to provide a stadium for the City of Wakefield BV or NM whichever happens, we are not trying to save the world.

I sometimes think I'm a small person in the land of sesquipedialian's!

Ditto.

I'm a small cog in the wheel who just wants a RL ground who tried to help a slightly smaller cog who was complaining he wasn't in the loop and bang right back in my face - what is wrong with people! It's just a RL ground at the end of the day not the UN.

I don't see how a redeveloped Belle Vue has any negative impact on Agbrigg. It's the status quo as it has existed for over a hundred years. The only impact can be positive, even if it is something as minor as a smarter looking stadium overlooking their street. Might be some light issues if the East Stand is covered, but beyond that, I can't see any negatives and only the chance for positives.

Taking a step back, Newmarket was successful because of the addition of a community stadium. I'm not sure how the relocation of it has a huge impact, and arguably the people affected locally will be affected less, other than the fact of the development.

I do understand the Trojan Horse argument, but events change over time, I guess.

Don't get me wrong. I'm selfish enough to just take the best for us and have no care about the wider community at all.
I was just talking about the point in general.

I'm not getting you wrong don't worry.

It's quite tricky to give people as much info as you can without compromising the people who gave it you. I have an ego the size of a house but despite what a certain poster thinks on this occasion I'm only trying to help folk understand as much as possible. I know how frustrating half facts can be.

We are at a delicate point in negotiations and it doesn't pay to antagonise anyone. People like Sir Rodney and Colin Mackey (?) don't take criticism well and without them on board the whole thing falls down. If that's pussy footing around YC then so be it - I certainly don't have 8 - 10 million to give away

The idea of a wider redevelopment of the Agbrigg / BV area has already been raised at a number of meetings. I will not take the credit for this, it was the idea of David Hinchliffe. It's very early, but I do think the idea has merit!

Please accept my apologies if this has already been discussed but what is the latest on the lease of Belle Vue? The last I remember reading was the site had been sold by the Bank of Ireland for a housing development and that's why the Newmarket site was required. Has this now changed?

BoI still own BV. There is an approved PP for housing, but tied by a covenant that means it can only be re-developed if WTW have an alternative stadium to move to.

IF we go with the BV option, the ground will need to be bought back from the bank!