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| Quote ="bren2k"What underspend?'"
Alluding loosely to TRBs statement that you're spending 75% more on salaries this year than last.
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| I am ashamed to say I was wrong with the percentage of income part of the cap.
Thought I remember that being in place to stop clubs getting in to debt but I've just read the rules and clearly it is not in place now.
Doesn't detract from the point though. A well run business should state a budget that they see is fit. Our club has no idea how many supporters will buy tickets and merchandise over the coming year and same with sponsors. Spending to your means is fine in my opinion, especially if you are keeping reserves for later.
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| Quote ="Paul T - HKR"snipped
Erm poptart, you are wrong. There is only the one limit which is in place for all SL clubs - £1.65m.'"
Thank you for pointing out my mistake more eloquently and gently than the other person who commented.
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| Quote ="smoking monkey"Alluding loosely to TRBs statement that you're spending 75% more on salaries this year than last.'"
I don't imagine for one minute that last season's underspend has contributed to a war chest for this season; we were underspending last year because we didn't have any money, not because we were stuffing part of it in a shoe box under the mattress.
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| If the "horses mouth" is the player, the overheard telephone conversation goes something like this:
"Ewan, we really want you, but we are struggling with the salary cap. Could you go a bit lower? Hmm, bit lower. Lower still. Once more? Lovely. Sign where we've printed your name. Thank you. Click. Hello? Is that Tim Smith? Hi Tim, would you like to play for us next year? Bit lower, I'm afraid.......etc"
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| Get them at the right price to start with and then the potential of the player could enable their own contract to grow with our budget over the next few years.
Take Tim Smith as an example, He wanted £X, we offered £X-10k on a one year deal, if he impresses early on he will be in a position to command £X possibly £X +10/20k in his contract extension, which we will be able to reward him with & (most importantly) accommodate responsibly under our growing budget.
Getting the best possible deal ensures you get the right mix of players throughout your squad, without spending unwisely in one area & don't end up a one man team as your paying 20% of the SC to 1 player (Chase).
This is a good approach, one we should have taken on board decades ago!
Well done WTW.
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| Maybe if Agar looked at his squad and decided not to have 6 hookers and 5 halfbacks (if Obst, Isaac, and Smith are coming too) in his squad he could have space for a couple of props. Have heard he is trying to offload Higgins
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| Quote ="G.Price Fan Club"Get them at the right price to start with and then the potential of the player could enable their own contract to grow with our budget over the next few years.
Take Tim Smith as an example, He wanted £X, we offered £X-10k on a one year deal, if he impresses early on he will be in a position to command £X possibly £X +10/20k in his contract extension, which we will be able to reward him with & (most importantly) accommodate responsibly under our growing budget.
Getting the best possible deal ensures you get the right mix of players throughout your squad, without spending unwisely in one area & don't end up a one man team as your paying[u 20% of the SC to 1 player (Chase).[/u
This is a good approach, one we should have taken on board decades ago!
Well done WTW.'"
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| Quote ="quinny"Maybe if Agar looked at his squad and decided not to have 6 hookers and 5 halfbacks (if Obst, Isaac, and Smith are coming too) in his squad he could have space for a couple of props. Have heard he is trying to offload Higgins'"
Plainly he hasn't got that many so he probably has space.
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| Quote ="pyeman"wrong'"
Well 200k (Chase) and 1m SC were banded round on your other forum.
You do the maths.
Running scared much?
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| Quote ="G.Price Fan Club"Well 200k (Chase) and 1m SC were banded round on your other forum.
You do the maths.
Running scared much?'"
If every other wage stated on our other forum was true we would be spending well over 2 million, you shouldn't believe everything you read on forums, even if it suits your particular agenda, how many people said wakey would defiantly lose there franchise?
Scared of what?
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| Quote ="pyeman"If every other wage stated on our other forum was true we would be spending well over 2 million, you shouldn't believe everything you read on forums, even if it suits your particular agenda, how many people said wakey would defiantly lose there franchise?
Scared of what?
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Us.... Our ascent under Glover.... The way we are reinvigorating support (& selling tickets)...
Take your pick.
My original point being that it's better to spend wisely and spread the money around, rather than pay over the odds (Chase) or tie people onto ridiculously long contracts (Goldy) in order to persuade them CT is the best option- which leave you scraping together the Griffin's of the world!
Keep on going your way mate, it's clearly going swimmingly.
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| Quote ="pyeman"If every other wage stated on our other forum was true we would be spending well over 2 million, you shouldn't believe everything you read on forums, even if it suits your particular agenda, how many people said wakey would defiantly lose there franchise?
Scared of what?
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Maybe scared that wakefield are recruiting better than cas and will have a better squad come the start of superleague. Just a thought!! How many cas fans thought they were losing their franchise aswell, i know of quite a few, that said looking forward to the derby games and wakefield winning!!!
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| It came from the player he wants to sign for the club...naturally after he is unemployed after mid November....Agar wants him...but at the moment we as a club cant fit him into the salary cap.
What that salary cap means is anyones guess,it could mean the full salary cap...i doubt that very much.
I would imagine it meant that Glover has said we have X amount to spend this season on players wages and at the moment we have reached that limit so therefore we can not sign Dowes.
If I remember rightly there was an article in the WE with Agar where he said about balancing the books and trying to get what was the right balance and player structure to fit within the clubs budget and this he is clearly trying to do.
Like all managers in whatever sport when they take over a new club they want to put their own stamp on prooceedings and they will not like all players already contracted to the club and players will naturally move on.
I believe DOWES will sign but contracted player/s will have to leave for this to happen.
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| Quote ="G.Price Fan Club"Get them at the right price to start with and then the potential of the player could enable their own contract to grow with our budget over the next few years.
Take Tim Smith as an example, He wanted £X, we offered £X-10k on a one year deal, if he impresses early on he will be in a position to command £X possibly £X +10/20k in his contract extension, which we will be able to reward him with & (most importantly) accommodate responsibly under our growing budget.
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Problem with that approach is that by only offering one year deals you run the heavy risk that, if the player in question impresses, he buggers off to a bigger club at the end of the year rather than re-signing with you guys.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I don't imagine for one minute that last season's underspend has contributed to a war chest for this season; we were underspending last year because we didn't have any money, not because we were stuffing part of it in a shoe box under the mattress.'"
Really? I was thinking it was maybe a case of AG's cash arriving too late to be used productively in a picked-over player market so it was decided not to spend so much of it.
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| Quote ="Garry Brindley Esq."Problem with that approach is that by only offering one year deals you run the heavy risk that, if the player in question impresses, he buggers off to a bigger club at the end of the year rather than re-signing with you guys.'"
That happens regardless.
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| Quote ="G.Price Fan Club"Us.... Our ascent under Glover.... The way we are reinvigorating support (& selling tickets)...
Take your pick.
My original point being that it's better to spend wisely and spread the money around, rather than pay over the odds (Chase) or tie people onto ridiculously long contracts (Goldy) in order to persuade them CT is the best option- which leave you scraping together the Griffin's of the world!
Keep on going your way mate, it's clearly going swimmingly.'"
Not scared at all thanks, though i can pretend that i am if it would make you feel better.
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| Quote ="pyeman"Not scared at all thanks, though i can pretend that i am if it would make you feel better.[/quo
I personally believe that wakefield will finish higher in the table than cas, we seem to be recruiting well and signing players that will do a job for us.
Lets face it the new super duper cas signing was .............
Rangi's new contract!!! Nowt against the guy but there were a lot of cas fans dissapointed at it not being a new signing.
Cas are meant to have the planning in place funds etc so why hasnt the glasshoughten development been completed originally they were going to be in for the 2008 season. Unless im mistaken the ground is not even started to be built yet.
Wakefield on the other hand are developing belle vue till we know what is happening with the goverment review.
My point is why do cas fans think they are the only team in the wakefield district that deserve a place in superleague, bring up administration etc whenever they post on here that is in the past my friends lets look to the future.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"That happens regardless.'"
Yes but at least if you've got him tied down for a few years you get something out of it. One year deals have their place, but as a general policy it means all you are is a shop window for the bigger clubs and a stepping stone for the better players.
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| Quote ="trinwildcat10"
I havent brought up admimistration or said you dont deserve to have a sl team
i was pleased when you stayed up.
As for the teams your going to have to get some decent props in, hope your injury prone back row stays fit, be the first team to make tim smith a decent defender, get a a largely new team to gel quickly and pray you dont get many injuries to your back line to stand a chance of finishing above us. And you your going to have to do it with a coach that struggled to get above us with a much better squad than what you have now, and with a team that was much more settled than what you have now.
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| Quote ="Garry Brindley Esq."Yes but at least if you've got him tied down for a few years you get something out of it. One year deals have their place, but as a general policy it means all you are is a shop window for the bigger clubs and a stepping stone for the better players.'"
Works both ways, equally could save you being lumbered with a player that doesn't give you much in return (McGoldrick?)
Also the rewards for selling a player under contract are hardly generous, so if a bigger club wants said player, they can still have them, but the selling club will make little profit after factoring in the higher wages that go with a longer contract.
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| Lets not get into a "mine is bigger than yours" comp yet guys. Our team has not played one game together yet. Cas haven't made lots of signing but they were ahead of us last year so lets be realistic, we are the ones catching up.
I do think we will do well.....but lets not start picking fights just yet. Lets get some performances on the board first.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Lets not get into a "mine is bigger than yours" comp yet guys. Our team has not played one game together yet. Cas haven't made lots of signing but they were ahead of us last year so lets be realistic, we are the ones catching up.
I do think we will do well.....but lets not start picking fights just yet. Lets get some performances on the board first.'"
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| Quote ="PopTart"Lets not get into a "mine is bigger than yours" comp yet guys. Our team has not played one game together yet. Cas haven't made lots of signing but they were ahead of us last year so lets be realistic, we are the ones catching up.
I do think we will do well.....but lets not start picking fights just yet. Lets get some performances on the board first.'"
Amen to that. The amount of dick measuring and bitching that takes places on these forums is getting very tiresome and quite frankly is more than a little sad.
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