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| If I could be so bold as to make a plea to those considering contributing to the £500k.
Many are already decided and committed to 'investing', others cannot or will not, which is fair enough.
The plea is to those who are able to, but are undecided. Many of those seem to have been put off by lack of clarity/information and also negative arguments and conflicting/confusing statements on this forum.
What I would ask is that you make the pledge first and then make up your mind when and if the time comes to do that. To me the worst case scenario would be to have £300k in pledges and then the opportunity to do something now would be lost.
It seems that system of payment is protected and guaranteed, but obviously check this for yourselves too. If the target is met and then the information available at that time is insufficient, or the situation is unworkable, then you can still walk away with your money.
P.S. Sorry, I don't have £1k, never mind a spare £1k
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| I just posted this on another thread but thought I should post it here as well because it is important -
Newmarket Community Stadium will happen if people continue to work towards making it happen. The club have confirmed that a move to the proposed Newmarket Community Stadium is commercial viable as a NL1 side not just SL and Yorkcourt are committed to the deal either way. The stadium will be SL compliant, so if the worst happens then I suspect a return to SL for Wakefield would be very possible in three years.
As for the Newmarket development happening then it is highly likely that warehousing and distribution units will be built on at least a minimum of 33ha of the site as it will be taken out of Green-belt by a target date of March 2012 via the LDF process.
The support for Newmarket is vital for the community sport facilities, jobs and as a new home for professional sport in the city of Wakefield. People need to understand that Newmarket will continue with or without Wakefield Trinity and there current financial problems and the stadium will be available for whomever wishes to use it in the future irrespective. If that is the current Wakefield Trinity Wildcats or a 'new' Wakefield Trinity Wildcats or even a football or Rugby Union team, it will be there if we fight for it!
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| The Clan said: "I don't think we are that far off being able to break even, maybe a sponsorship or two, maybe a semi wealthy backer or two, maybe some radical backroom cuts."
I recall from the shareholders meeting that Ted admitted the club had lost over £1,000,000 in the last few years. Do you know if the club is still carrying this kind of debt?
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| Quote ="Chairman Miaow"The Clan said: "I don't think we are that far off being able to break even, maybe a sponsorship or two, maybe a semi wealthy backer or two, maybe some radical backroom cuts."
I recall from the shareholders meeting that Ted admitted the club had lost over £1,000,000 in the last few years. Do you know if the club is still carrying this kind of debt?'"
I think on current budgets the club is losing about £150K to £200K per season, maybe the current regime has exhausted all avenues in order to make up he defecit and move on.
There may be certain parties with more willingness to get involved once the current regime has nothing to do with the club, this has been stated in various places on numerous occasions for years.
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| Been listening to people's views carefully, and a lot of people whose opinion I respect, like Sandal Cat and Clan, are making very good points. And coco makes a good point. It's a shame that the best selling points for the scheme are from people on here and not the club.
PS: look on the bright side - I've never been to Toulouse.
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| Thanks for the reply, Clan. Finding an additional £150 - £200k a season doesn't sound insurmountable to me. And that's based on SL status obviously. I would imagine we could operate far more frugally in the Championship. To be honest, I welcome a spell in the Championship - visting grounds I haven't seen in a long while, a realistic chance of wins or even, dare I say it, silverware, a break from being the perennial whipping boys/also rans of Super League. Basically rediscovering why I fell in love with this game. I believe this is the best we can hope for at this moment in time, and I know Trinity fans will use our time away from SL to reinvigourate the club.
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| Quote ="Chairman Miaow"Thanks for the reply, Clan. Finding an additional £150 - £200k a season doesn't sound insurmountable to me. And that's based on SL status obviously. I would imagine we could operate far more frugally in the Championship. To be honest, I welcome a spell in the Championship - visting grounds I haven't seen in a long while, a realistic chance of wins or even, dare I say it, silverware, a break from being the perennial whipping boys/also rans of Super League. Basically rediscovering why I fell in love with this game. I believe this is the best we can hope for at this moment in time, and I know Trinity fans will use our time away from SL to reinvigourate the club.'"
And Chairman you could still do that from a brand new stadium at Newmarket from 2013 as well!
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"PS: look on the bright side - I've never been to Toulouse.'"
Aye, and knowing our luck, they'll be given Cas' franchise.
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| And can we go back to Trinity. No inflatable cat, no cartoon on the shirt.
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| If the developer is as good as his word. If I remember correctly, Ted did state quite categorically at the shareholders meeting that Yorkcourt are still 100% committed to delivering the project. Nice rallying speech at the meeting, by the way. It's always nice to put a face to a name.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"And can we go back to Trinity. No inflatable cat, no cartoon on the shirt.'"
Yes lets get back to been Wakefield Trinity, i've had enough of the "Wildcats" gimmick.
We could have a junior membership type thing named the "Wildcats" so that the kids don't lose Daddy Cool etc but for everything 'offical' go back to just Wakefield Trinity.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"And can we go back to Trinity. No inflatable cat, no cartoon on the shirt.'"
with you there somehow this whole super league thing doesnt appeal that much at the moment, im bored of its wranglings and its obvious biases, this last few days has summed up why I had lost a lot of intrest anyway, it has nothing to do with the game at all, its fitting criterias, financial survival and rural position we are playing, SUPER LEAGUE IS NOT RUGBY LEAGUE and frankly at the moment Id rather go watch Shaw Cross.
All I can hope is that the many great fans of wtrlfc make a decision that is right for them personally and we all stay what we always were;
THE SINGLE BEST AND MOST ENTERTAINING BUNCH OF MISMATCHED IDIOTS IT HAS BEEN MY INTENSE PLEASURE TO SPEND SUNDAY AFTERNOONS WITH FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS!!!!!
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"And can we go back to Trinity. No inflatable cat, no cartoon on the shirt.'"
Hey, leave the inflatables out of this, they've kept me going the last few months. Whatever happened to those smiley 2 blow up blokes who popped up waving their arms when we scored? Their demise has played no small part in all this imo...
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| Quote ="Schunter"Hey, leave the inflatables out of this, they've kept me going the last few months. Whatever happened to those smiley 2 blow up blokes who popped up waving their arms when we scored? Their demise has played no small part in all this imo...'"
Sold to Huddersfield............we never score anymore anyway so there was no use!
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| Quote ="Chairman Miaow"Thanks for the reply, Clan. Finding an additional £150 - £200k a season doesn't sound insurmountable to me.'"
It roughly about 2k on top of the current average attendance.
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| Quote ="Chairman Miaow"If the developer is as good as his word. If I remember correctly, Ted did state quite categorically at the shareholders meeting that Yorkcourt are still 100% committed to delivering the project. Nice rallying speech at the meeting, by the way. It's always nice to put a face to a name.'"
If he gets what he wants then there is no reason for it not to happen because it stacks up for him, Wakefield Council & Wakefield College irrespective of which 'team' plays there. I suspect that there is already a signed legal agreement in place saying just that as well! That is why the fight needs to continue, Belle Vue is dead and while squeezing one or two years out of it is possible, it has no future beyond that except for nice new houses. Warehouses and community sport facilities and a stadium or just warehouses... that is the choice... so which do you pick!
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| To be honest I wasn't even considering an increase in attendance as a realistic prospect - Jesus, even when we were winning no-one came to watch us. The turn out to the last play-off match against catalans was pitiful. Perhaps there is simply no appetite for watching Super League within the Wakefield paying public. Or maybe, as some on here keep suggesting, it is all down to the poor state of belle Vue that people don't come.
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| If we are losing that much a season, then it is clear we can't sustain a SL existence at present and there consequently seems little point in pouring money in to pay off historic debts, when administration could sort this out and money could then be put in afterwards to make us a sustainable championship club until our situation changes so SL is again something we can contemplate
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"It roughly about 2k on top of the current average attendance.'"
I heard somewhere that out business plan for 2010 was based on an average attendance of 7500
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| Quote ="chapster"I heard somewhere that out business plan for 2010 was based on an average attendance of 7500'"
not true, my understanding is 5000
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| Forget this irrelevant nonsense will somebody please cast some more light on Charlie's rumour about the smiley blow up men?
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"If we are losing that much a season, then it is clear we can't sustain a SL existence at present and there consequently seems little point in pouring money in to pay off historic debts, when administration could sort this out and money could then be put in afterwards to make us a sustainable championship club until our situation changes so SL is again something we can contemplate'"
Its a lot of money but putting it into the perspective of a super league club it's not an insurmountable figure.
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| Quote ="Schunter"Forget this nonsense will somebody please cast some more light on Charlie's rumour about the smiley blow up men?'"
as always we have sold them to hudds, but as always we have got in exchage some not quite as smily blow up men one of which is broken and the other we had already but we can now keep him, no cash has changed hands and this deal was for the good of the club.
buy shares now!!
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| Quote ="chapster"as always we have sold them to hudds, but as always we have got in exchage some not quite as smily blow up men one of which is broken and the other we had already but we can now keep him, no cash has changed hands and this deal was for the good of the club.
buy shares now!!'"
Tut utter rubbish, do not believe a word!
They where replaced by Paul Cooke
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| Quote ="charlie"Tut utter rubbish, do not believe a word!
They where replaced by Paul Cooke'"
No you are wrong, he was too tall and couldn't bend down far enough
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