Given that the last THREE Labour governments were between 1997 and 2007 and they did none of the things you've stated I think we can safely dismiss your two pennorth.

Which Goverment created yuppies, sold off every publicly owned business, destroyed manufacturing to extent that we now rely on Russia for gas, South America for coal and China for steel. Which Goverment continues to sell the few remaining publicaly owned businesses below their value losing us the tax payers large amounts of money. They destroy almost completed nimrod surveillance planes only now to need to buy replacements from USA. They allow big business to avoid paying their full tax and what they do pay is heralded a great success from a man who then goes to watch the super bowl with the same company.
I could go on and list the many other promises made by one David Cameron which he failed to meet and let us not start on the number of times misinformation as been spouted by the same person. If all you have is the winter of discontent compared with the rise of food banks, we now have children developing rickets, I know the Tories believe in Victorian values but the ailments as well.
I have never known one Goverment who have tried to blame everyone else for the mess they have made to this country, the Liberals in coalition, local Goverment (who they starve of cash) because they have to shut libraries etc, with the exception of a few conservative councils who have recently benefitted from some spare cash they have found. They will do anything not to lose power, ensure they have all the money whilst making sure the other parties have theirs restricted, change the boundaries to purely made up ones to reduce the number on MP's whilst increasing their own majority, amend the way people are registered on the electoral roll.
We apparently have a friend in the new Conservative MP, I look forward to the day she does something constructive for the club.

Typical left wing reaction. Why are you assuming that I support the conservatives? If you want to let yourselves believe that Callaghan,Blair and Brown ran the country well I despair. I have neither the time or inclination to argue every point you have made but I will say this... the unions bear As much responsibility as any government in the destruction of manufacturing. I am fed up of getting up at 6 every morning ,paying my tax and Nat ins only for large chunks of it it be sent abroad or to be used to educate and treat in our hospitals people who were not born here and haven't paid into the pot. Our money should be spent on our kids, pensioners and our deprived. Cue racist , little Englander etc etc

Oh sorry , just read the bit about boundary changes! My god! Brown/ Blair wouldn't do anything so underhand would they? Oh no god forbid. As you probably know that's one of the first things they did when they took power in1997.

Am loving this thread..... we've not even started on religion yet....!

.......fapping Jedi!!

I would go with gullible Sun reader. It's all those foreigners fault taking our jobs and money, get rid of them and we will become a utopian society. It amazes me that people actually believe it, what percentage of Wakefield residents are from the EU or further a field probably less than 10% but don't let facts get in the way of your somewhat bigoted view.
I also pay my taxes and have never received any Goverment hand outs in my 30 + years of working but I understand that not everyone can find work that comes with a living wage.

Never seen as much sense written on this forum Scarlet as in your last couple of quotes. Go for it son!!!

Neither a bigot or a Sun reader. Again typical attempt to smear someone who disagrees with their right on view. Just believe in looking after our own indigenous people first . If there is anything left over then we can be generous. What's wrong with that. You complain about lack of funds for libraries etc but feel it's ok to borrow money to send abroad,or educate and treat on the nhs people from other countries? By the way

doesn't win the debate.

Great, so redundant libraries take priority over people living with famine/war etc, just because they don't come from the same part of the planet as you?

we can't look after the whole world,even though we do more for the rest of the planet than almost any country on it.

I actually work abroad as a peacekeeper in an International Peacekeeping Mission which is right on the front line between democracy and anarchy and in a location between Christianity and Islam. Terrorism threat here is low. But I would like to question you on why you think the UK should withdraw from spending abroad. I suppose you listen to the media at home that report on the sensational parts. I am not questioning your personal views or politics but just the foreign investment quote. We as a Nation are one of the 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council, that responsibility was gifted to us after the 2nd world war the aim is to keep peace in the world, some would say not very successfully but the UN generally goes in after a conflict as begun attempts to bring peace and assists with stabilisation. We pay a significant sum to the UN for the privilege. we are part of the EU and the EU also has a peacekeeping arm again we are members (and pay towards its costs) and have EU missions in respect of peacekeeping, these as you would imagine are more European based. Then there is humanitarian assistance, usually this is provided in the home state but as we all know at the moment in Syria there is a mass exodus of people trying to get out of the Middle East.

The best option would be to keep them there I would be interested in your strategy should funding stop by the UK and other nations to sort this out. From a UK point of view we have invaded all but 22 countries in the world and in each of those we have colonised we have left our mark some good some not so good, we cleaned them out of their assets in many cases. In the countries I have visited that have been part of the Empire or Commonwealth we have left infrastructure and in many cases a rule of law system that works. Compare that to say some of the French colonies in Africa and you will see a different picture.

We are very well respected in most of the world but we tend to do the right thing even though we do not always get it right.

So think about why we send money abroad the investment return is in exports and imports as well as overseas income probably better than being parochial on our little Island. The last thing is that in the UK there is a class of people who will never work and expect a standard of living to be provided ( I am not including people who are genuinely out of work and seeking employment that is a different issue). We have European people coming in because we have jobs that cannot be filled I accept some these are probably low paid but for me its better to work than not and working should be more than benefits.

I hope you dont mind me putting a view on this from out in the field.

Yes I know but thought it was fairly obvious I was talking about own our State.

Shifty party

anyway first and last time for me on here. I know what it gets like even among friends and family.

A good well thought out post there mate, but.......I'd guess there are a lot of nations out there that despise us for our past interventions rather than appreciate it, even the Aussies hate us for deporting them and look what a lifestyle they have!
You only need to look close to home and see how people see us, the Scots, Welsh Republic of Ireland all dislike us and we're close neighbours.

I certainly don't mind because it's precisely what I think. Well said.

Wouldn't get too misty eyed thinking about the Australian lifestyle, I know quite a few people who have gone and come back. Even though they earn more, everything is expensive, healthcare, rent etc. If you're not in one of the big cities then there's not a lot going on in terms of things to do. Poor internet and public transport.

I don't think they hate us really either, bit of a tongue in cheek rivalry - they've kept the Union flag on their flag and the Queen as head of state for the last 200 years!

To be fair mate my Aussie reference was tongue in cheek.

Redwhiteandblues post is indeed a considered well written post . However, why aren't these refugees being taken in by their closer neighbours e.g. UAE , Saudi etc. We can't look after the entire planet -it's impossible. I also know that nothing is black and white and there are plenty of grey areas. But on the face of it borrowing money to give to India ,who have a space programme and sending money to Bangladesh to help with their floods doesn't look very good on the face of it. That's without us inadvertently funding arms in Africa with our tax pound. When I boil it down to the basics I would much prefer that me and mine were looked after than some foreigner. Educate our kids,treat our sick,look after our own disadvantaged with our money. My son is a teacher in London and he has to try to educate kids who can't speak English ,spending a disproportionate amount of time with them to the disadvantage of our own kids. The nhs is short of money but 60% of the aids cases we treat are foreigners. We can't educate ,cure and look after the entire planet for God's sake.

I read these posts with interest. And note that there has been the usual squabbling between the them and us Tory and labour voters. With people picking out ( and quite rightly) the many.... Let's call them mistakes.....the two main political parties have made...
But I'm afraid the ones to blame are the people who put an X in the box next to the dim wits name and the party they represent,that are as much to blame!
Until we get rid of the two main parties as political forces in this country and replace it with P R. Then the MISTAKES will only continue. But the reason that won't happen is because the Tories and labour don't want it... There power will be much reduced by people using their vote elsewhere knowing that that vote will of counted.
At the last election plenty voted green and ukip (rightly or wrongly) but their vote should of counted. Instead when we all went to bed that night, we all new who would be in charge..
We run atwo party system here and that suits the Tories and the equally inept labour dim wits just fine...WHY? Because they they know that as long as they kid you all along with the them versus us ideas it's them that will get the X in the correct box
With PR I think the bombing of Syria would not have been bungled through and and it would certainly put an end to the railroad policies of Tories and labour .they make that many cock ups and yet have to answer to know one
Happy squabbling!!!

The classic example of this at the moment is at Cambridge University. Foreign Students, some of them over here thanks to The Rhodes Scholarship, are leading a bid to have a statue of Cecil Rhodes pulled down. No doubt Churchill will be next on their list.

So was I - last time I checked, about 1/3 of UK infrastructure was owned by foreign governments; go figure.

Wow this thread has kind of drifted since when I last looked.

From local politics & presumably how it impacts on the club, to the pro’s & cons of our elected champions.

Left, right, Red, Blue – they don’t mean jack, if people think the clowns at Westminster are running the show, well…

Well what? Who do you think are running this show? Please enlighten me.

I'm sure there is a forum for politics somewhere.
This thread should be about the council and how it affects Trinity.

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