You really are more confused than Scooby-Doo you arent ya.

Agar out my , judge the man on a full season. Some people are listening to the Hull idiots too much, how can you blame Agar for stupid penalties, a bent ref, dropped ball, crap kicking game. The players need to take a good look at themselves and put things right on Friday night, if it's the same then people need to be dropped for the likes of Wildie. Give the underperfomers a spell in the reserves until they get the message.

Go away please

Even given the admittedly low standards of coaching Agar brings to a club to get 'nilled' by a side like London is possibly the most embarrassing moment of the season.

Cant understand why how many coaches Hull have gone through the last few years.And you get one come on here saying that Kear would have done miles better than Agar and then I wonder what happened at the Keepmoat in the semi.Kear did us well when needed and no one could knock him but that was in the past.Thats what FC fans need to realise Agar was in the past get over it.Ask any Widnes fan who was around at the time what they thought of Laughton as a coach then ask Leeds fans what they thought.For a side that have 18 new players in a performance like that was due at some point.Ask me what I think of Agar after a season and half then I might say rubbish or might be fantastic at the moment its to soon to say.

Its now he has to earn his money as a coach. We obviously have a weakness defending kicks and its up to him to fix that up. Yes he's not responsible for individual errors but the set up looks wrong to me. All other clubs have 'blockers' offering protection to the winger catching the ball yet ours repeatedly are isolated meaning the attacking player has a free run and all the momentum going into the jump. This needs sorting asap or Chase and Orr will kill us on friday.

I agree. I was at a wedding and watched the match on SKY. a few observations from a concerned supporter.

1. Southern seems to have what resembles a beer belly which in the 1970s & 1980s was acceptable for a second row or prop but for a 2012 Super League full time professional it is not. He is not on the pitch enough and although can tackle seems to do little else. Bad choice for captain. When you're team is playing crap like they did last night then its the captain and other experienced players that should come to the fore but Southern wasn't even on the pitch if he was then he hid.

2. Aiton does not run from dummy half anywhere near enough and thats how London got a roll on sometimes from dummy half. We're also not turning players onto their back enough to slow the play the ball down.

3. As for defending kicks Fox was isolated under the high ball and appeared to be weak in that area with a standing jump. There should be the centres/second row blocking runners and giving the wingers protection. Cockayne dropped a high ball for a try aswell.

4. We also seemed to play with absolutely no structure/composure and played worse in the second half than the first. Going sideways and then throwing the ball into touch or an aimless kick with no runners.
This is very concerning, what did R.A. say at half time? And if they didn't listen to the game plan then he should have used his remaining interchanges just to make a point to those key pivots calling the shots for WTW and taken them off.

5. If there is little or no improvement against Cas then there must be some changes around the ruck area and subject to injuries this must include consideration of Andy Ellis at hooker with Aiton to loose forward, give Trout, Walshaw and James a run and Washbrook on the bench.

Long term if the inconsistency continues there is a very good coach at Featherstone!

This thread is exceeding our idiot quota. My limit is one please.
That is all.

Have to agree with this. Southern looks nowhere near full fitness. It's no good having an experienced captain who is only on the field for half of the game. At the start of the season I thought we'd got a great signing and captain in Southern but over these last few weeks I've been highly disappointed with him and am questioning whether the captaincy should be handed to someone else, ideally someone who is on the field the full 80.

Saints didn't procrastinate and that is the difference, the common denominator on and off the pitch in a professional set-up is being ruthless.

We are all smart enough and wise enough to see what is unfolding at the club yet again.



Mate we will smash Cas on Friday and I'll be calling for Agar to be knighted again. I want us to do well and get momentum going but I know Agar won't be able to get the players motivated for the game after Cas and then I'll feel the same way.

It's the same old and we need to act and salvage the season.

Unfortunately this defeat has come at the wrong time (I know there is no good time to lose!!) Cas go into Fridays fixture full of confidence and will play an expansive game kn owing our weaknesses. We are going into the game at pretty much rock bottom, and will be very edgy and short of confidence. I would not be surprised if we get another hammering.

So long as the beer isn't off and the pie is warm I'll keep going and having a laugh with the mates, so no.

Who cares what the result is!

People who are calling for Agar to go after 8 games are stupid IMO.

Yes it was a bad performance all round yesterday but for me that is the only game this season where we haven't shown up this season and I am sure Agar and the players will be well aware of this and will want to put it right for Friday.

That's what is driving us idiots mad, we will undoubtedly hammer Cas Friday then follow it up with a mighty anti-climax against Wigan and that's why the experienced impatient fans are getting premature on Agar. When the players are targeting which games to go all out for we are in trouble especially at an early stage in the coaches tenure.

I hope Agar proves me wrong though! I'll run a franchise on him.

I have yet to see anything from this man that a decent NL1 player could not provide for us and for a lot less money.

Of all the new signings this season Southern was the one I was most please with.

I thought he be of a similar ilk to Dallas Johnson at NQC’s however, he looks to me like he’s here on an extended holiday.

I’d give the captaincy to someone who looks like they give a damn.

Sorry for expressing an opinion on a fans discussion forum. I was with a large number of other season ticket holders who were more outspoken in their views than my earlier post.

Its the worst performance of the season by far and frustrated fans discussing why it was so poor could not be described as idiotic.



It is appreciated that some patience is needed by fans but I felt sorry for those that had paid their hard earned money to go all the way down to London for that sorry display. They deserved a full refund, you might aswell burn your money. R.A. needs to utilise his full coaching abilities to turn this around before Friday.

Obviously because of his KR history, I'm no great fan of Cockaines but if all of your players put as much effort into their performance as he does I think you would be a much better outfit. Good luck for the rest of the season.

Its all well and good putting the effort in, but Cocakyne's leaked as many points this year as hes scored if not more, The same with Foxy. All because we cant deal with the high ball.

dont blame the wingers read Theboyem post hes hit the nail on the head now sort it Agar

Southern looks to have been bulked up. Maybe with the thought of him playing prop??

With regards to Aiton, it is far easier to go from dummy half when you forwards are on top and get a bit of a roll on. Ours werent at any point.

I have watched Fox and he is not great under the high ball when they are warming up never mind in a match situation. Having said that, if the kick is good the attacking winger should always be favourite.

On paper, we have a better squad than London, Salford, Widnes, Castleford and Bradford. Yet I doubt that we will finish above all of these. Glover has spent a lot of money on players, whereas Cas haven't in fairness. We need to start performing, because the squad does have glimpses of quality, or else Agar could be on his way out at the end of the season.

how do you know how much each club has actually spent on players? Just an assumption i presume.

Cas probably haven't recruited as heavily as it has probably cost them a bit to keep the current man of steel

Regarding the original thread title, the win against Catalan really put a spanner in the works.