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| Quote ="Duckman"Well, I'm a Bulls fan, but I'm also a Wakefield council tax payer who has suffered from the drastic cutting of services in the area. My daughters swimming club no longer have their pool after it was shut by wmdc.
So I've followed this story, and I understand trinity have been, at best, woefully let down by wmdc on this, but I would just add that the general perception of the people I've spoken to about this is that whilst they agree that wmdc are pretty inept, they are also pretty much hamstrung financially by lower distributions from central government, and their story from last week of trinity backing out as you won't pay a commercial rent and not having the burden on the taxpayer is the story that's stuck, even if it's false, and forgets the original deal of a stadium provided by the developer for the gifting of greenbelt land to build that eyesore.
So I really think the club needs to get its legal advice quicker and issue a strong statement, because you're losing the perception "battle" with the general wmdc public, the majority of whom don't know the full details, don't go on rl forums, but do read and believe (mostly) council statements in the local press, and they don't really care beyond "how can the council pay for a stadium but shut my pool/library etc."
Good luck, i hope you get the community stadium promised by the developer -and that I don't end up paying for it whilst I still have to drive past the white eyesore to stand on the decaying odsal terraces
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That's what I said but it got hijacked by a doylum.
Absolutely bang on Sir.
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| Quote ="tenerifeRhino"Do people think the re-deveopment plans are a red herring. I don't see it as very realistic, just going by the optics i just don't see where this stadium fits within the dimensions.'"
A few people have commented on this so you are not alone in thinking it and given the councils latest move it wouldn’t surprise me
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| Quote ="DAVE@CAS1990"That's what I said but it got hijacked by a doylum.
Absolutely bang on Sir.'"
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| Quote ="bren2k"I made exactly this point a number of months ago - and it's even truer now than it was then; there has been far to much focus on this as a stadium for WT, and very little mention of the developers obligation to the Wakefield public in return for being gifted pp on green belt land. Mr Box has exploited that with his latest stunt, and the club/trust seem happy to let it stand.'"
You're correct now as you were then. Im sure the club/trust will respond, probably both privately and publically, but the silence is deafening following last weeks wmdc release. Which Im sure will be for perfectly good and legitimate reasons, but it doesn't play well with the lazy perceptions of the majority of wmdc residents I suspect, and the longer the councils version is left publically unopposed the harder it will be to remind people of the correct version of events and exactly who should be paying for what and when (I.E. not me the taxpayer but yorkcourt and a community stadium funded by the land grabbing developer assisted without ongoing financial risk as much as possible by the council.)
Like I said, good luck, I suspect you're going to need some, hope it works out eventually.
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| what a absolute shambles!!!! its deadline day today will any statement be made.?...
if I was RFL I would kick us out I really would.too many broken promises how many chances do they give us?
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| And is it fault you dip stick
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| And is it our fault clown
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| And is it our fault clown
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| Quote ="BOJ042"what a absolute shambles!!!! its deadline day today will any statement be made.?...
if I was RFL I would kick us out I really would.too many broken promises how many chances do they give us?'"
Seriously I can’t work you out. One day you are proclaiming what a great season we have had the next you are blaming the club for something that is not their fault
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| Quote ="bren2k"I made exactly this point a number of months ago - and it's even truer now than it was then; there has been far to much focus on this as a stadium for WT, and very little mention of the developers obligation to the Wakefield public in return for being gifted pp on green belt land. Mr Box has exploited that with his latest stunt, and the club/trust seem happy to let it stand.'"
For a bright bloke you're not being very smart. They are not letting anything stand but in case you have not worked it out this one is almost certainly going to court.
The last thing we need is for some emotive inaccurate comment to come back and haunt us. Let the council lackey do that.
It will be the job of the legal team to decide how we fight it. I'm certain the community element will be a keystone don't you.
The club are probably staying quiet so that it doesn't become a club issue. Leave it to the trust an organisation that represents all.
Finally why are are some falling into the trap of thinking this will in anyway cost the council! Apart from the fact that it forces them to fulfill their obligation both developments will bring them a great deal of money in through rates and new jobs even excluding the stadium and other facilities.
Don't fall for it - they have managed it with Cas they can mange it with us - the cost to the Council is tiny.
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| Very frustrating time being a Trinity supporter at the moment (well for the last umpteen years of patience really) Why would WMDC put out such a statement, who's behind it? Is there another 'trust' in the background, manipulating and maneouvring things?
WHEN will this bloody saga end? Are there no decent, morally straight businessmen out there nowadays?
I remember immoral and illegal happenings years ago involving council officials, (which resulted in imprisonment for those concerned) I'm not saying anything illegal has taken place here, but this ground situation does nothing at all for the credibility of the private sector, in fact it smacks of capitalism which is odious to the extreme.
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| To me the worst thing is, this comes at a time when we seem to be getting it right on the pitch
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| Quote ="Trinity1315"Very frustrating time being a Trinity supporter at the moment (well for the last umpteen years of patience really) Why would WMDC put out such a statement, who's behind it? Is there another 'trust' in the background, manipulating and maneouvring things?
WHEN will this bloody saga end? [uAre there no decent, morally straight businessmen out there nowadays?[/u
I remember immoral and illegal happenings years ago involving council officials, (which resulted in imprisonment for those concerned) I'm not saying anything illegal has taken place here, but this ground situation does nothing at all for the credibility of the private sector, in fact it smacks of capitalism which is odious to the extreme.'"
For the first time in a long time we have one at the helm of the club. For me this saga has to go to the courts to bring everything out into the open once and for all.
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| Quote ="vastman"For a bright bloke you're not being very smart. They are not letting anything stand but in case you have not worked it out this one is almost certainly going to court.'"
That may well be the case - and I'll stand corrected if so; it just irks that Mr Box and his cronies feel sufficiently on top of this process to say whatever they like in an attempt to mislead the public.
It will be extremely satisfying is this does end up in court and WMDC are accurately portrayed as working against the interests of the only pro sports club in the City.
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| Quote ="Trinity1315" Are there no decent, morally straight businessmen out there nowadays?
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Probably not many at all, however that's not the point.
We are supposed to be living in a civilised mature democracy. We have laws and elected politicians to protect the interest of the wider public. The checks and balances are normally there to keep the business men that effect our lives in check.
In the case of WMDC things have slipped. Not only is the council leader failing in his duty to protect the interest of the wider community. All the other elected politicians are cowards and charlatans for failing to bring him to account. THAT IS WHERE THE REAL PROBLEM LIES.
Take a look at the WMDC website, see the photographs of these clowns. If that bunch did their job and looked after their electorate we would not be in this mess.
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| Quote ="bren2k"That may well be the case - and I'll stand corrected if so; it just irks that Mr Box and his cronies feel sufficiently on top of this process to say whatever they like in an attempt to mislead the public.
It will be extremely satisfying is this does end up in court and WMDC are accurately portrayed as working against the interests of the only pro sports club in the City.'"
Not just the only pro sports club but, the wider Wakefield public and with obesity levels at a record high and still rising, it's imperative that there are decent facilities available.
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| Quote ="wtid71"For the first time in a long time we have one at the helm of the club.'"
Yeah, of course - I'm sure you know who my target is.
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| Quote ="Trinity1315"Yeah, of course - I'm sure you know who my target is.'"
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| So is that it? Deadline passed, Vatican City Trinty anyone?
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| Quote ="BOJ042"what a absolute shambles!!!! its deadline day today will any statement be made.?...
if I was RFL I would kick us out I really would.too many broken promises how many chances do they give us?'"
If you were the RFL the sport would be in big big trouble.
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| deadline passed no statement,nor brick laid,NOTHING!!!!Goodbye wakey
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| Quote ="BOJ042"deadline passed no statement,nor brick laid,NOTHING!!!!Goodbye wakey'"
See ya troll.
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| Quote ="BOJ042"deadline passed no statement,nor brick laid,NOTHING!!!!Goodbye wakey'"
As my old mate with the cleft palate used to say ! Muck off
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| why get angry at me !!!! just stating facts - surely everyone is as frustrated as me ! NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE AGAIN- I lived in wakey 15 years ago and the same thing was going on then that is now - A LOT OF HOT AIR TALK AND NOTHING HAPPENING....
but this time its different because we will not live to fight another day in the city of Wakefield.
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