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| Ben Gledhill can kick, in fact he's very good.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"John is a young man in his first serious stint at playing the most important position on the field and he's also moved half way around the world to do it.
He needs some time to adjust and take on the job, Smith is playing well and I'm sure trying to help him settle in to his role.
He needs to show a little improvement IMO each week and before long he will be ticking along nicely, although he does need to start that improvement now.
Personally i wouldn't even consider dropping him for at least another month or two, he needs supporting and nurturing, at some point we may need him to have a spell in the reserves to bring him forward, but i would give him plenty of time before that were to happen.
I feel a little sorry for him he is under a lot of pressure, the goal kicking isn't helping him, but we didn't sign him as a goal kicker, maybe that is a pressure he doesn't need at the moment.
As for Moore, it would have been interesting had he stayed wether he would be in front of Kyle Wood for selection as i think he has played well for us so far, maybe he may put his hand up for a kick at the posts, I'm sure he kicked on occasion for Shudds??'"
Completely agree. I've seen some good signs of him taking on the defensive line and on several occasions just going right through them, and that didn't happen too often last year. Remember everyone it's early days yet but for me the half back setup shows real promise - give them more time, less pressure, more encouragement. Let's recognise what they can do and not criticise them for not matching ridiculous pie-in-the-sky expectations.
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| perhaps johns confidence went after throwing the interception pass. why not send him out on loan for a game when weve got wire away.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"John is a young man in his first serious stint at playing the most important position on the field and he's also moved half way around the world to do it.
He needs some time to adjust and take on the job, Smith is playing well and I'm sure trying to help him settle in to his role.
He needs to show a little improvement IMO each week and before long he will be ticking along nicely, although he does need to start that improvement now.
Personally i wouldn't even consider dropping him for at least another month or two, he needs supporting and nurturing, at some point we may need him to have a spell in the reserves to bring him forward, but i would give him plenty of time before that were to happen.
I feel a little sorry for him he is under a lot of pressure, the goal kicking isn't helping him, but we didn't sign him as a goal kicker, maybe that is a pressure he doesn't need at the moment.
As for Moore, it would have been interesting had he stayed wether he would be in front of Kyle Wood for selection as i think he has played well for us so far, maybe he may put his hand up for a kick at the posts, I'm sure he kicked on occasion for Shudds??'"
Absolutely spot on, said basically the same earlier. How often have payer from down under taken a few games to settle, I can't think of too many that have even hit the ground running especially in the pivotal positions. May be if we took the goal kicking duties away from him it will probably do him a world of good and clear his mind to do the job we paid him.
As far as Tim, he seems to be a bit of a easy target for some reason, even though he's been targeted totally wrongly. I've been really impressed with his attitude and he's settling in very well and been at the crux of most of the tries so far, he's improved his defense as well, which is pleasing.
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| Some of the criticism of Smith has been OTT, think he looks like the best halfback we have had since Brough
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| Have to agree smith has had a hand in alot of the plays and directed the team around quite well. His defence has been reasonable too being used as third man in which is good tactics.
John needs time, sure he will show us more soon.
We are not struggling to score points or create breaks. It's the defence that has let us down and kick defence vs Bradford. That drops on the centre, wing, fullback toes for the respective targeted side.
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| Quote ="Willzay"Some of the criticism of Smith has been OTT, think he looks like the best halfback we have had since Brough'"
To be honest that is like Eddie Large standing next to Rick Whaller and claiming to be slimmer of the year.
Completely fed up of players that have got no balls its embarrassing. Smith grow a pair and take somebody on - you know try to beat a man instead of gobbing off and pointing all over the place before dollying the ball out.
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| Quote ="worksopwildcat"
Smith grow a pair and take somebody on - you know try to beat a man instead of gobbing off and pointing all over the place before dollying the ball out.'"
Yeah cos saying that is really going to help isn't it?
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| Quote ="Willzay"Yeah cos saying that is really going to help isn't it?
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This is a discussion forum - so your post is irrelevant really.
The guy has a point IMO.
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| Quote ="TRB"This is a discussion forum - so your post is irrelevant really.
The guy has a point IMO.'"
TRB - Has someone hacked your account? This has always been a discussion forum but you have in the past criticised others for negativity.
With regards the point made about Smith, IMO we need to decide which half back we want to do what, as I don't think having two half backs doing the same role works. John seems the more naturally suited to take on the line (and there were signs of this improving on Sunday), whilst Smith does seem to be more of an organiser (but still with the ability to create something), although his kicking game needs to get better. Both have contributed individually in different games, but not both together to any real effect yet - I believe this will come as the season progresses.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Allways thought Moore had good potential why we didn't keep him and not Hyde I will never know. Moore can kick them from all over. Moore showed what he could do against Huddersfield at home last year where we beat them. I would have stuck with Moore he would have looked good in our team this year. Dissapointed we got rid.'"
Too right. That lad never got a chance and I would have him in our side now as you just cannot take the field without a goalkisker, it's madness
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| Maybe if he'd have stopped and and battled for his spot, he'd have got a chance by now, oh yes my bad, Agar hated him and would have never picked him
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| Gareth Moore has the ability to be a fantastic player given the chance. His kicking game is good and his goal kicking is even better, though he might have had a great job offer for work, aswell as his batley wage he would be earning more than he would be at wakey. I have worked on site with a load of championship players that are earning great wages from there trade and further boosting it by playing for their clubs.
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"Might go to wakey Monday see if they want me and jk back haha"
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| Love how he has a dig at wakey but yet his back cover is him in a trin top.
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| Quote ="Pat Bateman"Love how he has a dig at wakey but yet his back cover is him in a trin top.'"
And how he gets some criticism for it too. Some players forget that what they write on Twitter is public.
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| Quote ="HerbertSplatt"And how he gets some criticism for it too. Some players forget that what they write on Twitter is public.'"
I know cockayne isn't very impressed with what he said and too right, Moore sounds like a right bell.
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| Quote ="HerbertSplatt"[urlhttps://twitter.com/#!/GazMoore7[/url
"Might go to wakey Monday see if they want me and jk back haha"
Hmm, no love lost there, me thinks.'"
The funniest thing about his twitter comment is that Kear hardly played him last season, instead choosing to play Tommy Lee out of position, so why if they both came back, would he assume that Kear would play him?
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| Quote ="Pat Bateman"he might have had a great job offer for work, aswell as his batley wage he would be earning more than he would be at wakey.'"
That's fine, and if that's the extent of his ambition in the game, then good luck to him. He seems to be playing well at that level, from what I've read. Nowt against him and nowt against Batley, I hope he goes well there.
Did he have offers from other SL clubs? It's often a fair indicator of your potential as a player. Ben Gledhill found a new club quickly enough, likewise Danny Kirmond and any number of other players who weren't in the frame for one reason or another at their former clubs. Just wondering, like...
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| Quote ="Theboyem"Problem is theres nobody in the squad who is a natural goalkicker. People have mentioned Collis and Smith as options but if john & Cockayne are seen as better bets than those two then they can't be up to much. Not sure theres much in the reserves. The only person who looks competent at best is dale morton but i can't see a way into the team for him. With our self-imposed cap at its limit its going to be our nemesis all season by the looks of things.'"
AGAR said on Yorkshire Radio last week that they have a budget to sign a prop and a goal kicking centre should the right players being available and add to the quality of the squad.
If the goal kicking fiasco continues and if Mellars continues with a distinct lack of form or Collis groin injury worsens that with anymore injuries to our converted 'props' (Wilkes,Raleigh,Southern) then things I think will change over the next few weeks and a couple of players will have to be signed....
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| Quote ="worksopwildcat" Smith grow a pair and take somebody on - you know try to beat a man instead of gobbing off and pointing all over the place before dollying the ball out.'"
......by gobbing off do you mean "organising a team that is very new and needs someone to take charge"? For me his "gobbing off" is what is giving us the small amount of cohesion we have got now.
As for the comments from Moore, shows me that he is not a supportive team player and we and he probably did the right thing. Wood is a far better player, just not at kicking.
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"The funniest thing about his twitter comment is that Kear hardly played him last season, instead choosing to play Tommy Lee out of position, so why if they both came back, would he assume that Kear would play him?'"
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| Gareth Moore,Any one noted how many SL clubs created an avalanche to sign him.Yes hes doing well at Batley but is that his level of play.How many whino fans last year wanted another coach and thought they had been landed with one of the worst.Things will come good and once the players have had a few more games together we should be on the right end of results.
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| To all you gareth Moore lovers pining him up as the saviour he just isnt good enough for SL thats why he is at Batley kicker or not. We made the right decision to let him leave and join Batley I would rather watch our lottery kicking at the moment waiting for the right player who can kick to be available. There was no secret here and RA referred to it at the squad launch.
Yje way soem people carry on her being armchair coaches they will have Moore as an international half by the time we play Wire on Sunday
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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"To all you gareth Moore lovers pining him up as the saviour he just isnt good enough for SL thats why he is at Batley kicker or not. We made the right decision to let him leave and join Batley I would rather watch our lottery kicking at the moment waiting for the right player who can kick to be available. There was no secret here and RA referred to it at the squad launch.
Yje way soem people carry on her being armchair coaches they will have Moore as an international half by the time we play Wire on Sunday'"
Thats strange, he never really got a consistent shot under JK but the games he played in he did very well, like the Hudds game when he kicked them around the park and got us a win.
We should have a kicker in the squad just like the rest of the SL clubs and not having ones a poor call by WTW and RA, oh and Walshaw is SL standard but he gets 7 mins v Hudds, thats Agars call and its wrong and thats coming from a armchair coach, disagree if you like.
I do agree the Moore worship is almost in the "Korki" bracket but i believe thats down to a few of is mates who log in on here.
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