Once again won't believe anything until the work starts. Yorkout got what they wanted all along, will be suprised if they help us develop Belle Vue. They have what they want we probably can't afford to take them to court. In Rodney we trust *cough* *cough*

NGB4C please try to read between the lines.

"The club, the Trust and SWAG still have a fair few bargaining chips so we are not helpless" - key line.

We still possess something YC genuinely want and to get it they WILL have to PAY a price. That exact price is yet to be ratified but even half of that would do me TBH.

It's nothing to do with YC or anyone else screwing us it's all about the best deal for both. If we (the trust etc) don't give YC what they want, YC will lose a lot of potential profit so it's in their interest to give us a good a deal.

I wish I could tell you more, but I think I'm on safe enough ground to say we will get some money/compensation to upgrade BV but the amount is still to be negotiated and it could be substantial and that is up to people more qualified than us.

Don't give yorkcourt what they want,I like that

What I don't understand is this.

I thought there was a watertight agreement for the Newmarket development saying that the warehousing couldn't be developed without developing the stadium too.

It now appears Yorkcourt can develop the warehousing without building the stadium at the Newmarket site. How can this happen? Was the agreement not watertight?

Phew...I give up. Que Cera cera as the song goes.

yes the phrase is you cant polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter, I'm with you on this

we might not own BV but it could look quite impressive

either way keep up the good work

According to the Local Government Ombudsman:

And I believe that planning laws are always applied strictly, consistently and fairly and are never sidestepped to suit the interests and financial and political power of those involved. Which pretty much sums up what I think about this long running soap opera

The question is whether the developer currently applying for planning permissions is the same as the one which signed the contract and, if not, does the new developer adopt the responsibilities of the old.

It seems that by a clever shuffling of owner ships, the closing and opening of companies and the transferring of contracts has somehow led to the shedding of responsibility to adhere to the S106.

It was said many times that YCP were financially bankrupt it seems they are morally bankrupt as well.

Then surely it works the same way, why have they taken up the Newmarket development

If this had been cas ....,,

Hi,

Can I make a bit of a plea we leave off YC (no i'm not a shareholder).

What you say may be correct I don't know, I'm not rebuking I'm making a plea to all fans..

What I do know is this has nothing to do with how YC have partially side stepped the S106 agreement - it was way easier than that and how(who) we were let down by is a battle for another day.

We can comment on YC's morals all day long but what they have done so far is legal. The fact remains though that they are the only people with any money to put our way so like it or not we have to work with them. At the end of the day they are the only meal ticket in town and although fillet steak has been replaced by a pork chop it's still potentially a decent meal.

We can look for negatives and conspiracies all day long but truth is it's just business and we have to roll with the punches.

The one positive about this is that if it all comes off the work could begin within month as opposed to years with minimal disruption to what people are used to - it most likely will be a far less of an upheaval than NM giving tangible results much sooner (hopefully).

I'll state my opinion and it's that BV is the better option even though I'm in a minority in SWAG and I fully get their viewpoint. It is possible to polish a turd, Widnes have and HKR and Leeds are in the throws and both have more atmosphere and real heritage than most Lego build stadiums. I kind of like the idea of us still playing at the Stadium we first used 130+ years ago so long as the redevelopment is a good one and I think away fans will also appreciate a different experience. No reason we can't lead the way in bringing the area up rather than continuing on a downward spiral.

It's only my opinion but stopping at BV (if it all happens) has reignited my passion for the club - something NM was not doing for me and I mean me I'm not talking for others.

Agree with everything you say Im exited about a redeveloped Belle Vue and also the timescale being quicker than Newmarket. Stadium WAKEFIELD action group will have more than achieved its goal if Belle Vue is redeveloped.

I suggest all posters no matter what their views on the matter and greater or lesser grasp on common sense, =#FF0000READ THIS POST!!
Do what you want afterwards but at least =#FF0000READ IT FIRST!!!!
Excellent work Vasty!!

The identity of the developer is irrelevant:

Haven't agreed with everything Vastman's said in the past , but this sounds bang on to me .
Excellent post .

We've had major disagreements on other stuff of late which dont need dragging back up...but in all fairness that is an excellent post from old Vasty...the type of well thought out...well written post I used to respect so much.....absolutely bang on the money for me and exactly how I see it also.....

Great post and I take back what I said the other day....

You are the master of the back handed compliment I'll give you that

Clearly there has been something in the offing for a little while in regards to all this.
I wonder how the Express feel abought bringing it to light now if it serves to lesten the benefit to the club as a result?
The Paper has had a rocky relationship with the club and some supporters at times, maybe this will turn out to be another low point in the papers support.

I've said my bit and there's no need for me to revisit the points I've made over the last week or so.

I appreciate the sensitivity of the talks the club are in so Ill leave it at that for the good of the club.


Great post Vasty

just a quick question to Vasty - I have said from day one regarding newmarket been too far out of town and been a major gamble to WTW regarding finances and the possibility of the support base not moving with the club. I have also stated on here several times that WTW would be better off upgrading BV.

Why the sudden change of mind ? -or is it you agreed with me all the time ?

Just a another bullet in foot for the wakey express, no support what so ever to the club

I have to agree that NM wasn't really doing anything for me. The only reason I was keen to see it happen was to satisfy a criteria. Satisfying a criteria isn't why I turn up to watch Wakefield Trinity.

For the past 5 years since moving to central Wakefield I've been able to walk to every home game and it's become part of game day. A cheeky pint in Fernandes on the way there, a bit of banter with the train traveling opposition fans, and a postmortem of the game in Harry's Bar on the way back. I'm more than happy to see historic Belle Vue get a coating of glitter rather than attend a Lego stadium with no history surrounded by warehouses.

Never disagreed with you as far as I know. However SWAG opinion was that NM was the better option and they are probably right so I was happy to go with them, that's how it works. Now it's irrelevant and it's just my view.

Frankly I don't care so long as we get something fit for purpose.

Oddly I didn't realise how much NM didn't rock me until I heard that BV may get an upgrade excited me - I think you may feel similar if/when you leave WR. The ground in it's own way is more a part of the club than many realise.

Spot on Vasty. I knew we would get there together in the end.

I must admit reading the above and even as an opposition supporter - I'm a bit exited myself at seeing the new BV take shape.