[quote="Dannyboywt1":2ivc25xn]https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/salford-red-devils-outrageous-line-up-for-2025-if-rumoured-targets-sign-is-incredible Shorrocks always impresses to be honest[/quote:2ivc25xn] Shorrocks and Watkins would be 2 who I think would really improve our squad. Shorrocks is a very talented athlete and his ability to cover all positions in the pack apart from Prop along with high level skill set meaning he can also cover 6 would be very useful. Watkins is just a great pro and he’s become a very good second row as well as his leadership qualities.

[quote="Dannyboywt1":1kbwaj9g]https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/salford-red-devils-outrageous-line-up-for-2025-if-rumoured-targets-sign-is-incredible Shorrocks always impresses to be honest[/quote:1kbwaj9g] Looks to me they are having a sale to bring better players in Thought they were in danger of going bust and they were selling players to stay afloat ..Stinks to me or am I reading it wrong

[quote="alegend":3gr68z55]Looks to me they are having a sale to bring better players in Thought they were in danger of going bust and they were selling players to stay afloat ..Stinks to me or am I reading it wrong[/quote:3gr68z55] No idea where you get that from. They are being forced into this position.

I’d be very happy with Watkins as a second row option, it would remind me of our McGillvary’s signing last year and has the potential to be a real crowd favourite. He’s also a very good professional, a great lad who’d be good to have around the place Like a couple of others have said, we could do with another no nonsense, hard nosed, experience and dependable prop but I’m not over sold on any of Salfords front rowers

[quote="The Avenger":2n05wtqh]I’d be very happy with Watkins as a second row option, it would remind me of our McGillvary’s signing last year and has the potential to be a real crowd favourite. He’s also a very good professional, a great lad who’d be good to have around the place Like a couple of others have said, we could do with another no nonsense, hard nosed, experience and dependable prop but I’m not over sold on any of Salfords front rowers[/quote:2n05wtqh] If Leeds are in for him aswell though it looks like Trinity will be outbid and he’ll go there …

[quote="The Avenger":3ohapkt5]I’d be very happy with Watkins as a second row option, it would remind me of our McGillvary’s signing last year and has the potential to be a real crowd favourite. He’s also a very good professional, a great lad who’d be good to have around the place Like a couple of others have said, we could do with another no nonsense, hard nosed, experience and dependable prop but I’m not over sold on any of Salfords front rowers[/quote:3ohapkt5] I like Brad Singleton in the right rotation. Wigan were poor up front when he was there and he did his best to hold the prop rotation together but he’s not that kind of player. We have on the face of it some decent impact and go forward but if you want a grub and disruptor who will put his head where others don’t then he’s your man, and to be honest we probably lack that type of player.

Singleton was really poor when he played for us on loan. Really didn't want to play for us. I wouldn't want him now.

[quote="asmadasa":3upctoir]If Leeds are in for him aswell though it looks like Trinity will be outbid and he’ll go there …[/quote:3upctoir] Why would we be outbid these days?

[fimg=][/fimg][quote="The Avenger":jsxeuyqa]I’d be very happy with Watkins as a second row option, it would remind me of our McGillvary’s signing last year and has the potential to be a real crowd favourite. He’s also a very good professional, a great lad who’d be good to have around the place Like a couple of others have said, we could do with another no nonsense, hard nosed, experience and dependable prop but I’m not over sold on any of Salfords front rowers[/quote:jsxeuyqa] For me Prop is what we are short of. Not a quality issue, but an attritional one. People go on about middle and I get it, but looking at ours none look as though they would be overly comfortable playing as out and out props in an emergency. I don’t think the player would need to be top notch, just a dependable player with a bit of size. There are a few around.

[youtube][/youtube][quote="vastman":vnp8tbqq][fimg=][/fimg]For me Prop is what we are short of. Not a quality issue, but an attritional one. People go on about middle and I get it, but looking at ours none look as though they would be overly comfortable playing as out and out props in an emergency. I don’t think the player would need to be top notch, just a dependable player with a bit of size. There are a few around.[/quote:vnp8tbqq] My point exactly, other than McMeeken, our other starting props are either unproven at SL or have a point to prove. It does worry me. I was disappointed when Bowden signed elsewhere because whilst he isn’t a world beater, he is robust and experienced enough to be a key part of the team. You then look at if one of our first 4 props is injured who steps up? Bain and Vangana are both inexperienced and probably a little lightweight. Storton, probably would be my preference to step up but isn’t a natural prop. So I go back to my previous post, even though it wouldn’t be a exciting or inspiring signing, a experienced and robust SL prop is needed in my opinion.

[quote="Droopy":wpq01xhz][youtube][/youtube]My point exactly, other than McMeeken, our other starting props are either unproven at SL or have a point to prove. It does worry me. I was disappointed when Bowden signed elsewhere because whilst he isn’t a world beater, he is robust and experienced enough to be a key part of the team. You then look at if one of our first 4 props is injured who steps up? Bain and Vangana are both inexperienced and probably a little lightweight. Storton, probably would be my preference to step up but isn’t a natural prop. So I go back to my previous post, even though it wouldn’t be a exciting or inspiring signing, a experienced and robust SL prop is needed in my opinion.[/quote:wpq01xhz] Rodwell, Atoni, Mckmeeken, Uele - will be our starting 4. Vagana, Shaw, Bain, Lingard are our back up props. I think Vagana would be a good step in but there’s questions over the others. But for the off game we should be fine. Would be nice to find one more prop from somewhere. Think we will only start to struggle if we get 2 or more injuries to props. We can cope with 1 out. I’m sure there’s plenty about though who are hunting a loan deal or game time like Eseh, other Wigan prop if and when needed.

Bowden was a loss for me but Powell decided that was the right thing to do. I guess we have to give Shaw game time if he is to develop so we should tryst that he can. To a certain extent Bain is the same. Vagana would be fine but I'd rather let him develop at SR. Cozza is a 13 for me. No more a prop than Pitts.

[quote="PopTart":vt3je8rl]Bowden was a loss for me but Powell decided that was the right thing to do. I guess we have to give Shaw game time if he is to develop so we should tryst that he can. To a certain extent Bain is the same. Vagana would be fine but I'd rather let him develop at SR. Cozza is a 13 for me. No more a prop than Pitts.[/quote:vt3je8rl] Pitts started his SL career with us as a prop so he has the knowledge. However I agree he’s not a prop anymore, he’s actually a perfect example of the arms race where player size is concerned. In the late 2000s he was adequate, now he’s just not big enough imho.

[quote="Droopy":3kdjep53][youtube][/youtube]My point exactly, other than McMeeken, our other starting props are either unproven at SL or have a point to prove. It does worry me. I was disappointed when Bowden signed elsewhere because whilst he isn’t a world beater, he is robust and experienced enough to be a key part of the team. You then look at if one of our first 4 props is injured who steps up? Bain and Vangana are both inexperienced and probably a little lightweight. Storton, probably would be my preference to step up but isn’t a natural prop. So I go back to my previous post, even though it wouldn’t be an exciting or inspiring signing, an experienced and robust SL prop is needed in my opinion.[/quote:3kdjep53] Doesn’t even need to be SL imho. A fringe player or an ambitious young championship player would do fine for me. So long as the attitude is right and they are robust, that would be fine. Bit like a Rodwell, but a U.K. version, won’t be as good but still decent. Saw a few tough lads last year who’d do ok without ever being first choice.

[quote="FSW":1tqujyij]Singleton was really poor when he played for us on loan. Really didn't want to play for us. I wouldn't want him now.[/quote:1tqujyij] Not many did at that point. Players grow up, he’d do as cover so long as he was willing to accept that.

[quote="asmadasa":14fhmzbc]If Leeds are in for him aswell though it looks like Trinity will be outbid and he’ll go there …[/quote:14fhmzbc] Do not think it comes down to out bid , Like Hall played at Leeds most of is career

If he accepts being here as cover I don't want him. He's a starting prop for a playoff team. He should be aiming to be our best prop

[quote="vastman":3qojz2fd]Doesn’t even need to be SL imho. A fringe player or an ambitious young championship player would do fine for me. So long as the attitude is right and they are robust, that would be fine. Bit like a Rodwell, but a U.K. version, won’t be as good but still decent. Saw a few tough lads last year who’d do ok without ever being first choice.[/quote:3qojz2fd] Like Harvey Makin ?? https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... d-30656477

[quote="vastman":3qojz2fd]Doesn’t even need to be SL imho. A fringe player or an ambitious young championship player would do fine for me. So long as the attitude is right and they are robust, that would be fine. Bit like a Rodwell, but a U.K. version, won’t be as good but still decent. Saw a few tough lads last year who’d do ok without ever being first choice.[/quote:3qojz2fd] Like Harvey Makin ?? https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... d-30656477

I'd take Singleton, but I think Chris Hill could do a job for 12 months as well.

[quote="imwakefieldtillidie":1p071h77]I'd take Singleton, but I think Chris Hill could do a job for 12 months as well.[/quote:1p071h77] Agreed. Still goes very well. I’d take either in that role as disruptor who can do big minutes if needed who may not look spectacular but does the basics well and is hurtful in defence. Their experience would also be very useful. Wigan showed last year how important it is to have quality in depth in the props and it will be more important this year with the concussion/head knock protocols and teams being expected to manage minutes of their players.

[quote="PopTart":2097w74c]If he accepts being here as cover I don't want him. He's a starting prop for a playoff team. He should be aiming to be our best prop[/quote:2097w74c] Oh do give it a rest for once. You know exactly what I meant so stop the agent provocateur stuff, I wouldn’t mind if you were any good at it. He comes as back up FACT and he will have to accept that to start with FACT. If he goes onto prove himself worthy and becomes first choice that’s fantastic, I’d love that. What he can’t do is swagger in and think he’s number one based on past achievements and then sulk when he isn’t first on the list. You earn your change or are you claiming otherwise?

[quote="vastman":ynxuda1x]Pitts started his SL career with us as a prop so he has the knowledge. However I agree he’s not a prop anymore, he’s actually a perfect example of the arms race where player size is concerned. In the late 2000s he was adequate, now he’s just not big enough imho.[/quote:ynxuda1x] I’m pretty sure Pitts has never played prop other than a few handful of games to cover. Also I don’t recall him propping in his first few seasons in 2008. He came through as a 13 and second row but mainly 13 if memory serves. He played more at second row as time moved on but has transitioned back to 13 now again. He's never been a prop if I remember correctly.

[quote="vastman":1ej2ha03]Doesn’t even need to be SL imho. A fringe player or an ambitious young championship player would do fine for me. So long as the attitude is right and they are robust, that would be fine. Bit like a Rodwell, but a U.K. version, won’t be as good but still decent. Saw a few tough lads last year who’d do ok without ever being first choice.[/quote:1ej2ha03] The likes of Walmsley for Saints, Harrison for Wire, Batchelor for Saints and even Keegan Hirst for us shows there may be some in there who could thrive in full time training. Maybe there’s someone there. I’m surprised that we haven’t picked a project from the championship up.

[quote="Trojan Horse":1sdpohon]The likes of Walmsley for Saints, Harrison for Wire, Batchelor for Saints and even Keegan Hirst for us shows there may be some in there who could thrive in full time training. Maybe there’s someone there. I’m surprised that we haven’t picked a project from the championship up.[/quote:1sdpohon] Off the top of my head I can't think of one forward that played against us last season that would be worth a punt. Doro at Bradford looked decent but he's at Hull KR now.

[quote="imwakefieldtillidie":2bmtzqoz]Off the top of my head I can't think of one forward that played against us last season that would be worth a punt. Doro at Bradford looked decent but he's at Hull KR now.[/quote:2bmtzqoz] I thought Doro was poor. He ran hard but made zero post contact metres and got folded in the tackle. He won’t be SL ready for a couple years but I don’t rate him despite the media hype. Surprisingly, there was a forward who played us a few times for different teams out on loan. Had a good pair of hands too. Think it was Sammy Kibula.