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| Apologies if it has been posted before, but with an 18 page thread I didn't trawl through them all.
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Apologies if it has been posted before, but with an 18 page thread I didn't trawl through them all.'"
No worries!
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| without wanting to dismiss the residents around newmarket too lightly surely the fact is that they live smack next to a motorway and a spent coal mine. this is not a leafy part of north yorkshire nor is it a thatched house in devon. the fact is wakefield is an industrial city who s proximity to the motorway network is its lifeblood by providing a perfect distribution hub. that is the reason companies like coca cola choose to invest millions in building their factories and warehouses here. in the same way many years ago that the coalmine was on newmarket lane.
sorry but if you want rolling countryside you bought the wrong house !
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| It always stikes me as funny that posters comment on how bad it is that something hasn't happened yet, without knowing what the individual milestones are on the project plan. Just because the application isn't in yet, does not mean we won't get it in with the planning office in time to deliver the stadium on plan.
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| Quote ="itsalldarntlane"why not ??? we have a few of your boys trawling the cas site trying to be clever then getting all finnicky when confronted with a few truths,(barry clegg 2nd and his lover) feel free to join them in their loop pmsl
'" You really should get a girlfriend son. Me and vasty being lovers , baggy being the butch one loverboy!
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| Quote ="PopTart"It always stikes me as funny that posters comment on how bad it is that something hasn't happened yet, without knowing what the individual milestones are on the project plan. Just because the application isn't in yet, does not mean we won't get it in with the planning office in time to deliver the stadium on plan.'"
I think you are misjudging Inflatable Armadillo - he posted several weeks ago with very interesting opinions and information.
He is a Leeds supporter living in Stanley, therefore neutral, and having seen the plans he was very impressed by them, completely in favour of the development and confident the planning permission would go through.
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| Quote ="Catwoman1"I think you are misjudging Inflatable Armadillo - he posted several weeks ago with very interesting opinions and information.
He is a Leeds supporter living in Stanley, therefore neutral, and having seen the plans he was very impressed by them, completely in favour of the development and confident the planning permission would go through.'"
Thank you Catwoman.
It was purely meant to be a factual post based on first hand information of calling the planning office yesterday.
In reply to the OP I do understand that they want to start the enabling and highway works in April and this, while maybe not being on the critical path on the programme (I don't know, I have not seen it), was they said, driving the proposed stadium start in late 2010. As such, it does need to go in as soon as they feel able to submit, because if it does get called in by the Secretary of State's office, it will delay things slightly longer. You can pull back weeks, but months is harder!
Listen, I want to flog the successful Main Contractor(s) our steelwork, so in this current market place the quicker the better for me! Plus we are quite good at stadia, so I do want to get on the tender list.
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Thank you Catwoman.
It was purely meant to be a factual post based on first hand information of calling the planning office yesterday.
In reply to the OP I do understand that they want to start the enabling and highway works in April and this, while maybe not being on the critical path on the programme (I don't know, I have not seen it), was they said, driving the proposed stadium start in late 2010. As such, it does need to go in as soon as they feel able to submit, because if it does get called in by the Secretary of State's office, it will delay things slightly longer. You can pull back weeks, but months is harder!
Listen, I want to flog the successful Main Contractor(s) our steelwork, so in this current market place the quicker the better for me! Plus we are quite good at stadia, so I do want to get on the tender list.'"
Your knowledge and experience is very welcome, and helps put a professional view on things. Good look with the tender.
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| Quote ="Catwoman1"I think you are misjudging Inflatable Armadillo - he posted several weeks ago with very interesting opinions and information.
He is a Leeds supporter living in Stanley, therefore neutral, and having seen the plans he was very impressed by them, completely in favour of the development and confident the planning permission would go through.'"
OK, I stand by what I said in general but I can accept that I misunderstood IA's post. No harm meant.
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| would hate to be a "stick in the mud" but if it did get referred to the secretary of state, who would be making a decision, this government or the next?? bearing in mind that the tories would probably be more in favour of the development than the people who are in now (that is my own personal opinion) and i also note that the prospective conservative candidates for both the council and mp are BOTH in favour of the development (i have no connection with either).
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| I dont know if this question has been asked already but when you apply for planning permision will it just be for your new ground or for the whole development. I am just wondering about this as if you do get pp granted for the ground how long will you have to wait untill PP is granted for the industrial side so work can start, and if that is declined then what happens ?, but if the whole thing is being applied for at the same time then that answers my question.
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| Quote ="tigerman10"I dont know if this question has been asked already but when you apply for planning permision will it just be for your new ground or for the whole development. I am just wondering about this as if you do get pp granted for the ground how long will you have to wait untill PP is granted for the industrial side so work can start, and if that is declined then what happens ?, but if the whole thing is being applied for at the same time then that answers my question.'"
The outline planning application is for the whole development as without the industrial element the construction of the stadium is not viable. If it’s declined then I have no idea whether there is an appeal process, but if not, then there is no new stadium.
If it's granted then the detailed planning application will be submitted fairly swiftly. I believe the plans for this are already well on the way.
As an aside, today’s express has Demetriou outlining his ambition to lead Wakefield out in the new stadium as long as his body holds out, and also the Express comment, under the heading ‘Vital to get behind ‘Cats’, is very supportive too;
Quote We should never take for granted the value that this city receives by having a team in the Super League. Nor should we underestimate the threat to their status.'"
Quote The city of Wakefield must fully embrace the Wildcats – they can be a huge asset – and the backing of the district council is vital in this. Firstly a concerted effort is needed to make sure the club has a stadium worthy of its long-standing and current position in the game. '"
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"The outline planning application is for the whole development as without the industrial element the construction of the stadium is not viable. If it’s declined then I have no idea whether there is an appeal process, but if not, then there is no new stadium.
If it's granted then the detailed planning application will be submitted fairly swiftly. I believe the plans for this are already well on the way.
As an aside, today’s express has Demetriou outlining his ambition to lead Wakefield out in the new stadium as long as his body holds out, and also the Express comment, under the heading ‘Vital to get behind ‘Cats’, is very supportive too;
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It took Waystone 11 Month to obtain Outline planning!!!
Good luck to Yorkcourt if they get it in 3 months
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| Quote ="bigalf"It took Waystone 11 Month to obtain Outline planning!!!
Good luck to Yorkcourt if they get it in 3 months'"
Every case is different, 3 months would be of course be at the optimistic end of estimates.
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| Just thought it might be of interest but this week plans for a power station have been approved for [url=http://planning.wakefield.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=KLFBVEQQ01V00&searchtype=WEEKLYNewmarket Lane[/url. Methane from the Silkstone Colliery will be used to generate electricity 24 hours a day for the next 25 years. There were =#FF0000THREE objectors.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Just thought it might be of interest but this week plans for a power station have been approved for [url=http://planning.wakefield.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=KLFBVEQQ01V00&searchtype=WEEKLYNewmarket Lane[/url. Methane from the Silkstone Colliery will be used to generate electricity 24 hours a day for the next 25 years. There were =#FF0000THREE objectors.
This perhaps bodes well for the rest of the development getting the go ahead.'"
ah as i thought. three genuine objectors against the stadium and rest just bitter cas fans i think
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Cas aren’t funding the stadium for themselves, they need outside investment, like Trinity, otherwise it would’ve been built already. =#FF0000Part of the sale of BV is going towards the new stadium. So one could say both clubs have invested heavily into making their stadiums happen.'"
Is this not happening now?
Also I am surprised none of the people"in the know" did not correct this at the time.
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| Quote ="rugbyball"Is this not happening now?
Also I am surprised none of the people"in the know" did not correct this at the time.'"
The theory behind Yorkcourt acquiring BV instead of the cash coming from Cala is that the land value that transfers to their balance sheet exceeds the £2m required by WMDC.
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| Quote ="bigalf"It took Waystone 11 Month to obtain Outline planning!!!
Good luck to Yorkcourt if they get it in 3 months'"
Told you so !
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| Quote ="bigalf"Told you so !'"
It is very interesting looking back at some of these threads. I particularly like the ones where Sandal wild cat explains why the new government would not take Newmarket to PI. MMMMM that gets me thinking where has SWC gone????
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| Quote ="rugbyball"Is this not happening now?
Also I am surprised none of the people"in the know" did not correct this at the time.'"
No idea. I imagine events over the past six months have put paid to that.
I suppose it's a fine balance. The PI appears to have been the catalyst for everything to fall off the rails. Had it been granted then this can of worms would certainly never have been opened and everyone but a few people at the top would've been in ignorance.
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| I have been informed that there is no requirement for financial input from WT and that there is no requirement for BV to be part of any deal either.
NM is the basis of our new future - anyone who stands in the way of this is standing in the way of RL in Wakefield - no exclusions.
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| Quote ="TRB"I have been informed that there is no requirement for financial input from WT and that there is no requirement for BV to be part of any deal either.
NM is the basis of our new future - anyone who stands in the way of this is standing in the way of RL in Wakefield - no exclusions.'"
As TRB has stated above, clarifications were sought by SWAG and RFN (via TRB) about the requirement of financial input from WT and BV. We have indeed been informed that there is no current or indeed anticipated future requirement for financial input from either WT or BV on Newmarket. The current Newmarket proposals already stand and continue to stand on their own merit, business plan and economic return.
I will add to what TRB has said and also say that not only will anyone standing in the way of Newmarket be standing in the way of the future of RL in Wakefield, but also other field sports, world class community sports facilities, future educational opportunities and new jobs!
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| Quote ="TRB"I have been informed that there is no requirement for financial input from WT and that there is no requirement for BV to be part of any deal either.
NM is the basis of our new future - anyone who stands in the way of this is standing in the way of RL in Wakefield - no exclusions.'"
TRB, I wouldn't be surprised if the person who "informed" you of this was the same person who "informed" me that input was required.
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| Quote ="RDM"TRB, I wouldn't be surprised if the person who "informed" you of this was the same person who "informed" me that input was required.'"
I think if you send either TRB or myself a PM telling us who has informed you of this fact we can confirm or deny if indeed it is the same person.
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