Yes i too would ask this, what are we getting, where does the money go, all we are told is its to develop the youth team, can someone put some meat on the bone so to speak.

It would be interesting to knowexactly where our money goes????

You know how on e-bay you don’t tend to trust sellers until they have made at least 50 transaction and have a 100% satisfaction . Especially the flashy ones claiming expert knowledge on specialist products blah blah blah.

Well that’s how I see you - 3 posts on ONE single issue. I’m not saying your wrong or questioning your right to post however compared to say BLM your ratings are low.

I’m made even more suspicious when the blame is laid specifically on another group of people who can’t defend themselves, again it’s not wrong but it makes what you say purely speculation and opinion and nothing more. Also smacks of hidden agenda.

So more meat on the bone please. Who are you? What are you? How have you come by this knowledge?

Thanks

PS: Wouldn't post so close to Tryscorer - it kinda gives the game away

Vastman, I am posting on this issue because it is something that needs addressing, I know all the lads in question and am only giving you facts, I don't know 'tryscorer' nor am I making anything personal. I am not asking for anyone to defend themselves, I am just giving people the ins and outs of what I know about the academy system and questioning where our money goes (afterall I too pay my fees). Some good lads have yet again slipped through the net, and we cannot call the pursuing clubs afterall we have done exactly the same with otther players we have taken from other clubs into our academy. (Shaun Woffit (Hudds) and Judah Masive (Leeds) to name but a few....

He's a bit young at the minute, but if my lad ever gets the opportunity at Wakefield (or any club for that matter) I'd pay for all his training kit myself if needed. I certainly wouldn't let him miss out on the opportunity to be a professional sportsman over something like training gear.

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You're an agent aren't you...?

Why is it every time people ask a question regarding the 1873 scheme the Calvary come out with attacks ,regarding the 19s  I can only comment on what I see on the playing field and imo its been very poor over the last three seasons, proven by the league positions ,   if any dept isn’t wiping its own face (m/c s quote) its surely the 19s regime

No, I am most definitley not an agent but have dealt with a few in my time.

Players may earn more in the short term at other academies, but at Wakefield they'll have a much clearer route to the first team than somewhere like Wigan for example. Lewis Heckford is a prime example. A Wakefield lad playing at Wigan, bags of talent but currently has Ryan Hampshire and Sam Tomkins, amongst others, in front of him. Were he to be at Belle Vue now he'd be in with a realistic chance of first team rugby within the next 12/18 months. I've no doubt he'd be earning less but as we've shown with Nigel Wight, Gareth Ellis and Ben Westwood, if the players are good enough they'll get the big money move eventually and probably more cash than they would coming through the ranks.

But that's the reality of a club like ours. Until we're financially stable and winning trophies that will always be the case. And until then, selling talent at profit will help us become financially stable.

Your not getting it, its not about the players getting paid 'mega bucks' it is about looking after these players.

Whilst it would be nice to have a 19s team wiping the floor with everyone else, the truth is it's not essential. Their job is to produce players ready for first team rugby. For a club that's jumped from one crisis to another over the last few years, we've currently got Jowitt, Crowther, Johnstone, Annakin and Shulver who have come through the ranks currently in or around the first team which I don't think is a bad return under the circumstances. Imagine if we blood just one youngster next year, and say 2 the year after, within a couple of seasons there's the potential to have over half our first team full of local, home grown, academy products. I'd say the junior set up looks to be doing okay at the moment.

It will never happen because we will always cash in on the best talent.

Fans of the game deserve better than to have to read this type of posts. You are capable of and have raised some interesting and valid points, but ultimately you're here to make mischief. It's not funny or interesting when dozens and probably hundreds have already beaten you to it. Turn it in.

I have been told by a 'SENIOR INSIDER' you talk a load of bo****ks.

I'm sorry to hear of your grievance with the club,but over the last 4yrs,I can't think of any of your points regarding kit,treatment,monies(that's if it matters that much at such a young age)and development,has been an issue for us and when ever there was anything we needed to address the door was always open and we discussed it there and then and didn't feel the need to post on here,maybe we were just lucky eh.I've also spoke to parents who thought their kids were better than what they were but couldn't accept being told so.I hope your kid has as much success as we have and a long career in the game.

No doubt you've also heard that there are a number of mystery investors out there willing to rescue the club if only the "current regime" would step aside. You clearly have a bee in your bonnet and an axe to grind with someone.
You do make some valid points but spoil it with that massively obvious bias you have against somebody.

I Have no Bias, I am just asking for answers because we (as 1873 Members) are been sold short, we pay our money we deserve to know why we cannot hold on to our best prospects. I watched all the Scholarship and Academy games last year and the 4 stand out players were Lee Kershaw (Retained but no offers from others), Will Dagger (Warrington), Bailey Robinson (Bradford) and Will Oakes (HKR). All these boys for one reason or another left because things didn't seem quite right. The boys (and I do know all of them) all stated that the level of coaching and the team spirit within the group were second to none. If this is the case then why did they leave??? The answer to that is quite simple, other clubs offer a myriad of things that WTW doesn't. This wasn't a financial decision by any stretch of the imagination (although each and every club offered a lot more that WTW and that is an unfortunate situation that the club is in) but WTW did offer Dagger the same package as Warrington in the end up (why couldn't we do this in the first place) but this was after the horse had bolted and we had already lost the player. Oakes is a little different, I am sure that the lure of training with a super league first team swayed his decision. Bare in mind that Dagger and Oakes both trained with the first team quite regularly at 14/15 and 16 years old so the club must have seen potential in them, why didn't they back it up by showing a real intent to keep them?

To BIG LADS MATE, I don't have a child involved (think I am a litlle too long in the tooth for that now) can I not express an opinion to on something that I pay in to unless I have personal involvement???

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It will never happen because we will always cash in on the best talent, this club could have had several other if they had fought to keep them at a young age. Your right, this club does loom from crisis to crisis, are you ready for the next one because I have been informed by an 'insider' that it will be imminent......the fans of this club deserve MUCH MUCH better.





I've not been told anything by anybody..... I'm feeling a little left out of all this. Who can I ask?

I suggest someone SENIOR to the SENIOR INSIDER failing that the Cleaner.

Realist,I've said I haven't encounted any problems in all the time we've been involved with the youth set up.Sorry if I accused you of your youngster being involved,but obviously someone you know has.What I am saying is,if they have a problem talk to someone like we have in the past.I've spoke to Wakey about money and what they've got planned for Jordan's future,even had a visit to our home.So who ever you've listened to ask them to try going down them lines before having a pop at the 1873 as I believe are doing a good job and will only get better.

That's a bit different to the post before you edited about the "next crisis being imminent" and that's from an insider, care to elaborate?

calm down everybody,it'll soon be Christmas!

Then Boxing day